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Because that's what women buy. It's not some conspiracy where clothing companies are making something women don't want, suppressing their own sales. If GAP et a

Because that's what women buy. It's not some conspiracy where clothing companies are making something women don't want, suppressing their own sales. If GAP et al could sell more clothing with bigger pockets, they would in a heartbeat. If you think an entire industry is wrong, you should start a clothing line or become a fashion designer to tap an untapped market.

wolfadex 5y ago
Firstly, my wife would strongly disagree with you. Your argument implies that women are given the option between many nearly identical pairs of pants, some with large pockets and some with small pockets. Instead they're presented with dozens of pants with only small pockets. Given the choice between pants with small pockets or no pants, they buy pants with small pockets.
- tester756 5y ago
  So apparently clothing industry lacks of diversity?
- ecmascript 5y ago
  So you are suggesting that there are no options, seriously? Clothing stores that serves both genders usually caters 90% of the store to women, because they are the ones who buy a lot of clothes. Men usually get a small corner somewhere. Also, there is online shopping with literally thousands of stores to choose from and you are suggesting none of these offers pants with larger pockets? Probably, she don't care enough about pockets to really search for it?
dang 5y ago
Please don't post shallow dismissals or take HN threads into flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- freshair 5y ago
  From where I am sitting, your characterization of seriousquestion's comment as a "very shallow dismissal" is itself a very shallow dismissal. Substantially shallower than seriousquestion's comment, which at least contains an argument about consumer demand shaping the products the clothing industry creates.
  - dang 5y ago
    Indeed, moderation comments suck. They suck even more to write than to read, if that helps at all (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=tedious%20write%20read%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...). The GP comment is actually a string of internet clichés: (1) "it's not some conspiracy", (2) "if they could sell" (3) "if you think [...] you should". That plus the confrontational edge makes it a flamewar comment. We're trying to avoid those here. Btw, one key thing to look for is whether a comment engages anything specific in an article, or is just using it to make a generic point. The latter is always a bad sign in HN threads.
    - ghiygbjy 5y ago
      Yet if GP comment on an article about phone sizes was "there is no conspiracy, people just like big phones", you wouldn't call it out as flamewar. You only do that on certain topics.
      - dang 5y ago
        I'm afraid you lost me. Are you suggesting that HN moderation is in the pocket of Big Phone?
    - prvc 5y ago
      Gonna stick my neck out here to say that I think that that comment got to the heart of the matter, and your enumerated cliches are in fact apropos, in that TFA is actually positing a conspiracy, and if it were true, then there is an untapped related market opportunity, as well as a better means of confirming its truth (namely by selling pants with bigger pockets).
JakeTheAndroid 5y ago
I don't believe it's that simple. At least in the past. When you have no options to buy another product then all the trends will point towards that being the consumer demand. That's like saying everyone loves Comcast because everyone in my area has them. They are the only provider, so maybe sales numbers isn't the best metric to determine consumer desire in all cases. Within recent years this argument becomes a bit less viable as there are so many ways to purchase clothing and near infinite options, but it then becomes about brand reputation and quality. How many vendors have the capability to meet consumer demand with a high quality, available product. And how easy is it to get funding for this business when, as you say, consumers don't APPEAR to want it? So this argument feels lazy imo. I don't think it's a conspiracy insofar there is a cabal refusing to put pockets in their clothing for some nefarious reason. But that doesn't mean that the consumers are being listened to, and brands aren't responsible for the lack of available pocket space in women's clothing.
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wolfadex 5y ago

Firstly, my wife would strongly disagree with you. Your argument implies that women are given the option between many nearly identical pairs of pants, some with large pockets and some with small pockets. Instead they're presented with dozens of pants with only small pockets. Given the choice between pants with small pockets or no pants, they buy pants with small pockets.

tester756 5y ago
So apparently clothing industry lacks of diversity?
ecmascript 5y ago
So you are suggesting that there are no options, seriously? Clothing stores that serves both genders usually caters 90% of the store to women, because they are the ones who buy a lot of clothes. Men usually get a small corner somewhere. Also, there is online shopping with literally thousands of stores to choose from and you are suggesting none of these offers pants with larger pockets? Probably, she don't care enough about pockets to really search for it?

dang 5y ago

Please don't post shallow dismissals or take HN threads into flamewar. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

freshair 5y ago
From where I am sitting, your characterization of seriousquestion's comment as a "very shallow dismissal" is itself a very shallow dismissal. Substantially shallower than seriousquestion's comment, which at least contains an argument about consumer demand shaping the products the clothing industry creates.
- dang 5y ago
  Indeed, moderation comments suck. They suck even more to write than to read, if that helps at all (https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&sort=byDate&type=comment&query=tedious%20write%20read%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&so...). The GP comment is actually a string of internet clichés: (1) "it's not some conspiracy", (2) "if they could sell" (3) "if you think [...] you should". That plus the confrontational edge makes it a flamewar comment. We're trying to avoid those here. Btw, one key thing to look for is whether a comment engages anything specific in an article, or is just using it to make a generic point. The latter is always a bad sign in HN threads.
  - ghiygbjy 5y ago
    Yet if GP comment on an article about phone sizes was "there is no conspiracy, people just like big phones", you wouldn't call it out as flamewar. You only do that on certain topics.
    - dang 5y ago
      I'm afraid you lost me. Are you suggesting that HN moderation is in the pocket of Big Phone?
  - prvc 5y ago
    Gonna stick my neck out here to say that I think that that comment got to the heart of the matter, and your enumerated cliches are in fact apropos, in that TFA is actually positing a conspiracy, and if it were true, then there is an untapped related market opportunity, as well as a better means of confirming its truth (namely by selling pants with bigger pockets).

JakeTheAndroid 5y ago

I don't believe it's that simple. At least in the past. When you have no options to buy another product then all the trends will point towards that being the consumer demand. That's like saying everyone loves Comcast because everyone in my area has them. They are the only provider, so maybe sales numbers isn't the best metric to determine consumer desire in all cases. Within recent years this argument becomes a bit less viable as there are so many ways to purchase clothing and near infinite options, but it then becomes about brand reputation and quality. How many vendors have the capability to meet consumer demand with a high quality, available product. And how easy is it to get funding for this business when, as you say, consumers don't APPEAR to want it? So this argument feels lazy imo. I don't think it's a conspiracy insofar there is a cabal refusing to put pockets in their clothing for some nefarious reason. But that doesn't mean that the consumers are being listened to, and brands aren't responsible for the lack of available pocket space in women's clothing.

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