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Installing software blessed by the father, the son, and the holy ad-hoc signing key of a dev account is not equivalent to installing an alternative OS on your i

Installing software blessed by the father, the son, and the holy ad-hoc signing key of a dev account is not equivalent to installing an alternative OS on your iDevice. Especially if the key can be revoked at any time. The local(over-usb) signing key has a O(week) limit before it expires and can also be revoked at any time. The boat-loader is locked down, without an exploit, you can't unlock it. No legitimate reverse engineering is going to grant you access to a low level signing key. That is a restriction on "whatever I want" and quite a few other things.

mrtksn 5y ago
> Installing software blessed by the father, the son, and the holy ad-hoc signing key of a dev account is not equivalent to installing an alternative OS on your iDevice. Then do that. I don’t see why Apple should be obligated to help with that though. If this doesn’t work for you, simply buy something else.
- soganess 5y ago
  The baseband is locked? Lets pretend an oracle handed me a fully functioning version of Android 5.1 (the best looking version of Android) for the iPhone $whateverIsCurrent. Installation is fully automated and works 100% of the time. All I have to do is plug-in my iphone to a Mac, paste in the signing key, and hit okay. I am no closer then to installing an altOS then I am now. I can't install it without getting my hands on the signing key. Which means, hacking or corporate espionage. One is probably illegal in some countries and the other is definitely illegal in most country. For the record, I don't care if I run iOS or anything else. A phone is a phone is a phone. But a few comments up, the claim was made that Apple isn't stopping owner's from doing anything and that simply isn't true. It is using software to place the weight of the law against the user.
  - mrtksn 5y ago
    You can always find a way around. The point is, you can do whatever you want with the device you purchased. That being hard doesn’t mean anything.
    - JoeyBananas 5y ago
      Maybe it doesn't mean anything in the sense of what you're allowed to do _legally_, but what you're allowed to do _practically_ is ultimately what the end user actually cares about.

mrtksn 5y ago

> Installing software blessed by the father, the son, and the holy ad-hoc signing key of a dev account is not equivalent to installing an alternative OS on your iDevice. Then do that. I don’t see why Apple should be obligated to help with that though. If this doesn’t work for you, simply buy something else.

soganess 5y ago
The baseband is locked? Lets pretend an oracle handed me a fully functioning version of Android 5.1 (the best looking version of Android) for the iPhone $whateverIsCurrent. Installation is fully automated and works 100% of the time. All I have to do is plug-in my iphone to a Mac, paste in the signing key, and hit okay. I am no closer then to installing an altOS then I am now. I can't install it without getting my hands on the signing key. Which means, hacking or corporate espionage. One is probably illegal in some countries and the other is definitely illegal in most country. For the record, I don't care if I run iOS or anything else. A phone is a phone is a phone. But a few comments up, the claim was made that Apple isn't stopping owner's from doing anything and that simply isn't true. It is using software to place the weight of the law against the user.
- mrtksn 5y ago
  You can always find a way around. The point is, you can do whatever you want with the device you purchased. That being hard doesn’t mean anything.
  - JoeyBananas 5y ago
    Maybe it doesn't mean anything in the sense of what you're allowed to do _legally_, but what you're allowed to do _practically_ is ultimately what the end user actually cares about.