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Millions Are Saying No to the Vaccines. What Are They Thinking?

11 points by seriousquestion 5y ago

aurizon 5y ago
Reads like a plot to reduce the republican vote by a few %
bananapizza 5y ago
Perhaps, "I am not interested in testing a novel, experimental vaccine, but if you want to, go right ahead."
- URfejk 5y ago
  That.
ErikVandeWater 5y ago
"Why do drug companies need a special exception from being sued for negligence for this vaccine? If they release another version where they can be held legally liable if they give me a bad dose that would largely alleviate my concerns."
- deleted 5y ago
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- quickthrowman 5y ago
  We used to allow lawsuits against vaccine makers, then strangely enough, nobody wanted to make vaccines. To encourage vaccine production, we provide them civil immunity in cases of non-negligence with a government administered fund that pays out money to people harmed by vaccines. https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html
  - ErikVandeWater 5y ago
    They could be paid more for each dose instead of given a legal exception.
    - m-p-3 5y ago
      They basically pay a tax on each dose to cover the cost of the NVICP.
- m-p-3 5y ago
  https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/04/26/christian-elliots-18-reasons-i-wont-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine-18-antivaccine-lies/ https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/04/26/christian-elliots... > This is a half-truth that antivaxxers just love. It’s a half-truth in that, yes, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 did require that claims for vaccine injury go through a special “Vaccine Court”, setting up a system called the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP or VICP), with the compensation fund funded by a tax on each dose of vaccine. However, the reason for this act was that there were so many dubious lawsuits being filed in the wake of the scare over the DPT vaccine in the 1980s that there was a real fear that vaccine manufacturers would simply stop supplying vaccines to the US due to liability concerns. Moreover, as I’ve discussed many times, the Vaccine Court is actually an easier court for complainants than standard civil court. The standards of evidence are, as has been described, 50% and a feather, the court allows “theories of causation” that no regular court would allow, and there are certain “table injuries” known to be caused by vaccines for which compensation is automatic. Even better for complainants, win or lose, the Court pays reasonable court costs. Moreover, if complainants fail, they can still take their case to federal civil court. The law only mandates that they first go through the Vaccine Court.
poyu 5y ago
As a US immigrant, it's very interesting to me how COVID-19 and vaccines became a political issue in the US. I guess if something that requires government involvement will become political at some point. Especially that US is a country with people from all sorts of backgrounds and experiences, makes it a very complicated country to govern.

aurizon 5y ago

Reads like a plot to reduce the republican vote by a few %

bananapizza 5y ago

Perhaps, "I am not interested in testing a novel, experimental vaccine, but if you want to, go right ahead."

URfejk 5y ago
That.

ErikVandeWater 5y ago

"Why do drug companies need a special exception from being sued for negligence for this vaccine? If they release another version where they can be held legally liable if they give me a bad dose that would largely alleviate my concerns."

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quickthrowman 5y ago
We used to allow lawsuits against vaccine makers, then strangely enough, nobody wanted to make vaccines. To encourage vaccine production, we provide them civil immunity in cases of non-negligence with a government administered fund that pays out money to people harmed by vaccines. https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html https://www.hrsa.gov/vaccine-compensation/data/index.html
- ErikVandeWater 5y ago
  They could be paid more for each dose instead of given a legal exception.
  - m-p-3 5y ago
    They basically pay a tax on each dose to cover the cost of the NVICP.
m-p-3 5y ago
https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/04/26/christian-elliots-18-reasons-i-wont-be-getting-a-covid-vaccine-18-antivaccine-lies/ https://respectfulinsolence.com/2021/04/26/christian-elliots... > This is a half-truth that antivaxxers just love. It’s a half-truth in that, yes, the National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act of 1986 did require that claims for vaccine injury go through a special “Vaccine Court”, setting up a system called the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (NVICP or VICP), with the compensation fund funded by a tax on each dose of vaccine. However, the reason for this act was that there were so many dubious lawsuits being filed in the wake of the scare over the DPT vaccine in the 1980s that there was a real fear that vaccine manufacturers would simply stop supplying vaccines to the US due to liability concerns. Moreover, as I’ve discussed many times, the Vaccine Court is actually an easier court for complainants than standard civil court. The standards of evidence are, as has been described, 50% and a feather, the court allows “theories of causation” that no regular court would allow, and there are certain “table injuries” known to be caused by vaccines for which compensation is automatic. Even better for complainants, win or lose, the Court pays reasonable court costs. Moreover, if complainants fail, they can still take their case to federal civil court. The law only mandates that they first go through the Vaccine Court.

poyu 5y ago

As a US immigrant, it's very interesting to me how COVID-19 and vaccines became a political issue in the US. I guess if something that requires government involvement will become political at some point. Especially that US is a country with people from all sorts of backgrounds and experiences, makes it a very complicated country to govern.