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Why is it meaningless?

by eloff 6y ago

orbifold 6y ago
There are 4.6 bitcoin transactions per second, how many dollar transaction do you think there are per second and what kind of volume of dollars are traded. Also there are different kinds of dollar in circulation, for example M2 is much higher (by a factor of 10) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL.
- eloff 6y ago
  "Market cap" is never a measure of transaction volume.
- wutXthree 6y ago
  Bitcoin only represents about half of that "market cap" number though. Bitcoin Cash and TRON, for instance, process more transactions than Bitcoin pretty regularly now. TRON even processes more transactions than Ethereum.
jollybean 6y ago
A better question to ask is 'why it has meaning'. Money supply has meaning because it's money in circulation. If I print 1000 'Buddy Dollars' and sell one to a friend for $1000, it doesn't really mean that I have $1M in Buddy Dollars. It might be helpful to compare the amount of USD spent on goods and services vs. the amount of Crypto spent on goods and services.
60secz 6y ago
Because the value of cryptocurrency is strongly effected by the volume of buy and sell pressure. Market cap implies that a level of liquidity which is likely not present -- it can very difficult to sell large amounts of most crypto without at least temporarily tanking the value.
- eloff 6y ago
  Market cap doesn't imply liquidity, not for equities either. A larger market cap might be correlated with more liquidity, but you readily want to look at shares outstanding and average volume to measure liquidity. I don't see why crypto is special here.
mikeyouse 6y ago
"Market cap" is borrowed from equity - the market cap of Apple for instance is determined by the number of shares of Apple outstanding x their price. But those shares have intrinsic value in that they grant you rights to a proportional amount of Apple's cash flow. If you were to destroy 50% of Apple's shares, the remaining half would be worth twice as much since the present value of Apple's cash flows hasn't changed. Assets and currencies don't have market caps in any sense. Take a look back pre-Bitcoin and there are basically no references to the "market cap of Gold" or any such thing, they've all arisen due to the comparisons to Bitcoin. There's no intrinsic or underlying value, prices are purely trade driven. This doesn't make them "bad" per se, just completely different than something like Market Cap can capture. As one other point for Bitcoin specifically, basically nobody knows how many Bitcoin are actually in circulation. There are a million+ lost / inactive. If someone moved a single BTC out of Satoshi's wallet, the price would very likely collapse nearly instantaneously. So how can a "market cap" be treated seriously if a single "share" trading hands at current market prices would collapse it. Bezos sells over $1 Billion of Amazon stock per year to no impact on AMZN.
- wutXthree 6y ago
  If you take TRON though, for instance, you are getting a claim on the nearly continuous new TRON production though. Same for LOOM and quite a few other cryptos.

Why is it meaningless?

by eloff 6y ago

Why is it meaningless?

There are 4.6 bitcoin transactions per second, how many dollar transaction do you think there are per second and what kind of volume of dollars are traded. Also there are different kinds of dollar in circulation, for example M2 is much higher (by a factor of 10) https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2SL.

eloff 6y ago
"Market cap" is never a measure of transaction volume.
wutXthree 6y ago
Bitcoin only represents about half of that "market cap" number though. Bitcoin Cash and TRON, for instance, process more transactions than Bitcoin pretty regularly now. TRON even processes more transactions than Ethereum.

jollybean 6y ago

A better question to ask is 'why it has meaning'. Money supply has meaning because it's money in circulation. If I print 1000 'Buddy Dollars' and sell one to a friend for $1000, it doesn't really mean that I have $1M in Buddy Dollars. It might be helpful to compare the amount of USD spent on goods and services vs. the amount of Crypto spent on goods and services.

60secz 6y ago

Because the value of cryptocurrency is strongly effected by the volume of buy and sell pressure. Market cap implies that a level of liquidity which is likely not present -- it can very difficult to sell large amounts of most crypto without at least temporarily tanking the value.

eloff 6y ago
Market cap doesn't imply liquidity, not for equities either. A larger market cap might be correlated with more liquidity, but you readily want to look at shares outstanding and average volume to measure liquidity. I don't see why crypto is special here.

mikeyouse 6y ago

"Market cap" is borrowed from equity - the market cap of Apple for instance is determined by the number of shares of Apple outstanding x their price. But those shares have intrinsic value in that they grant you rights to a proportional amount of Apple's cash flow. If you were to destroy 50% of Apple's shares, the remaining half would be worth twice as much since the present value of Apple's cash flows hasn't changed. Assets and currencies don't have market caps in any sense. Take a look back pre-Bitcoin and there are basically no references to the "market cap of Gold" or any such thing, they've all arisen due to the comparisons to Bitcoin. There's no intrinsic or underlying value, prices are purely trade driven. This doesn't make them "bad" per se, just completely different than something like Market Cap can capture. As one other point for Bitcoin specifically, basically nobody knows how many Bitcoin are actually in circulation. There are a million+ lost / inactive. If someone moved a single BTC out of Satoshi's wallet, the price would very likely collapse nearly instantaneously. So how can a "market cap" be treated seriously if a single "share" trading hands at current market prices would collapse it. Bezos sells over $1 Billion of Amazon stock per year to no impact on AMZN.

wutXthree 6y ago
If you take TRON though, for instance, you are getting a claim on the nearly continuous new TRON production though. Same for LOOM and quite a few other cryptos.