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Unscientifically, absent mother is seen as worse than absent father. I agree, and will may involuntarily postpone having kids because of that reason alone.

loceng 5y ago
Absence of either is more or less even-equal of a problem: Jordan Peterson and Warren Farrell on The Boy Crisis and Gender Politics - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AA1lR3CC4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AA1lR3CC4s
- Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
  Don't know you're grayed out. Humans are genetically extremely similar, appearances not-withstanding. Nurture is what creates valuable and functional humans. Societal factors that reduce parents ability to nurture their children are bad regardless of the parents gender.
  - thelean12 5y ago
    It's greyed because Jordan Peterson is a horrific source, regardless of how right or wrong he is on any individual subject.
- soyou 5y ago
  I don't know if I would trust Jordan Peterson, I was follower of his, watched his YouTube videos where he mocked mental diseases and basically stated only weak men suffer from addiction, depression, stress, etc. But then he ends up addicted, depressed, suicidal, etc. [1]: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12331040/jordan-peterson-suffering-coronavirus-mikhaila-hospital/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12331040/jordan-peterson-suffe...
  - steve_g 5y ago
    I've seen him talk about his tendency toward depression and I've seen him talk about his recent addiction, illness, and ongoing recuperation. I've watched a lot of his videos and read his books. I never saw him mock mental disease or say that addiction was for the weak (unless to the extent that all humanity is weak). That just doesn't sound like the type of thing Peterson would say. I have a hard time believing you.
  - loceng 5y ago
    Would love if you could actually link to evidence of him mocking and saying what you said, and not just linking to an unrelated The Sun article.
- halbritt 5y ago
  The content of this discussion does an excellent job of explaining the reasoning of the people that have downvoted this comment.
robocat 5y ago
If you would be a good parent and want kids, then I believe the idea of delaying is harmful, especially if you are over say 25. Trying to set up the perfect nest, or to save "enough", is not a game that most people can win. At least, the above is from what I have seen of friends that had kids, compared with those that delayed too long.
- cgrealy 5y ago
  > If you would be a good parent and want kids, then I believe the idea of delaying is harmful, especially if you are over say 25. 25?!? None of the people I know who have kids started trying for them until their 30s. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying your 20s and having kids when you’re ready.
  - hulahoof 5y ago
    The risk of genetic defects increase with age[1]. You are right though, you can definitely have healthy children in your 30's, though late 40s looks a little scary. [1] https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Genetic_risk_maternal_age https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Gene...
  - robocat 5y ago
    The pattern I have seen is enjoying your 20s, then deciding to have a family, but not having a suitable partner, which leads to undesirable outcomes (desperate decisions, never finding a partner, disappointment of not engine up with kids, difficulty conceiving). This goes for men and women. Another pattern is seeing people in their thirties finding it harder to adjust to the necessary changes because they have got accustomed to a lifestyle.

loceng 5y ago

Absence of either is more or less even-equal of a problem: Jordan Peterson and Warren Farrell on The Boy Crisis and Gender Politics - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AA1lR3CC4s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AA1lR3CC4s

Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
Don't know you're grayed out. Humans are genetically extremely similar, appearances not-withstanding. Nurture is what creates valuable and functional humans. Societal factors that reduce parents ability to nurture their children are bad regardless of the parents gender.
- thelean12 5y ago
  It's greyed because Jordan Peterson is a horrific source, regardless of how right or wrong he is on any individual subject.
soyou 5y ago
I don't know if I would trust Jordan Peterson, I was follower of his, watched his YouTube videos where he mocked mental diseases and basically stated only weak men suffer from addiction, depression, stress, etc. But then he ends up addicted, depressed, suicidal, etc. [1]: https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12331040/jordan-peterson-suffering-coronavirus-mikhaila-hospital/ https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12331040/jordan-peterson-suffe...
- steve_g 5y ago
  I've seen him talk about his tendency toward depression and I've seen him talk about his recent addiction, illness, and ongoing recuperation. I've watched a lot of his videos and read his books. I never saw him mock mental disease or say that addiction was for the weak (unless to the extent that all humanity is weak). That just doesn't sound like the type of thing Peterson would say. I have a hard time believing you.
- loceng 5y ago
  Would love if you could actually link to evidence of him mocking and saying what you said, and not just linking to an unrelated The Sun article.
halbritt 5y ago
The content of this discussion does an excellent job of explaining the reasoning of the people that have downvoted this comment.

robocat 5y ago

If you would be a good parent and want kids, then I believe the idea of delaying is harmful, especially if you are over say 25. Trying to set up the perfect nest, or to save "enough", is not a game that most people can win. At least, the above is from what I have seen of friends that had kids, compared with those that delayed too long.

cgrealy 5y ago
> If you would be a good parent and want kids, then I believe the idea of delaying is harmful, especially if you are over say 25. 25?!? None of the people I know who have kids started trying for them until their 30s. There’s nothing wrong with enjoying your 20s and having kids when you’re ready.
- hulahoof 5y ago
  The risk of genetic defects increase with age[1]. You are right though, you can definitely have healthy children in your 30's, though late 40s looks a little scary. [1] https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Genetic_risk_maternal_age https://embryology.med.unsw.edu.au/embryology/index.php/Gene...
- robocat 5y ago
  The pattern I have seen is enjoying your 20s, then deciding to have a family, but not having a suitable partner, which leads to undesirable outcomes (desperate decisions, never finding a partner, disappointment of not engine up with kids, difficulty conceiving). This goes for men and women. Another pattern is seeing people in their thirties finding it harder to adjust to the necessary changes because they have got accustomed to a lifestyle.