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I wanted to add that a lot of the people I know who are “vaccine hesitant” are just waiting a little longer to see how things go. I don’t see a whole lot of rep

I wanted to add that a lot of the people I know who are “vaccine hesitant” are just waiting a little longer to see how things go. I don’t see a whole lot of representation of folks who intend to get the vaccine this summer when I read publications and articles about it, but I would wager that there’s more people intending to get it but not quite yet than we think.

minikites 5y ago
So in other words, people like that want to wait and see how it goes for all of the expendable people before they try it themselves, because they're the protagonist of reality.
- retrac 5y ago
  I mean... Yes? That's how it goes with experimental drugs. Let's say it's March 2020. They've whipped up the first batch of mRNA which will hopefully induce spike protein production. Never before tried in humans. But it didn't kill the rats! How eager would you be to take that shot? Like don't get me wrong. We should have begun human experiments with some brave volunteers far sooner and with more recklessness, given the stakes. But no one really wants to be the first dozen, or thousand, or in the first long-term study on side effects.
- burnished 5y ago
  This is a needlessly inflammatory take on the situation.
  - minikites 5y ago
    I don't have much respect for people who are that selfish. If the only reason someone is "hesitating" is because they believe other people are less important or more expendable than them, I'm not really bothered if their feelings are hurt.
- ehvatum 5y ago
  I got the Pfizer vax, which like all available COVID vaccines in the US, is authorized for distribution on an emergency basis - because these vaccines have yet to be verified safe and effective by phase 3 studies. Waiting until proper FDA approval does not require solipsism.
- dang 5y ago
  Would you please stop posting flamewar comments? We're trying for something other than that here, and this one is a noticeable step hellward. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've asked you this multiple times before. If you keep doing it we are going to have to ban you.
mattm 5y ago
How much longer do these people need to wait? Tens (if not hundreds) of millions of people have now received the vaccine. It's more likely that they'll never get it because later on they'll think "well, I've gone this long without getting it and I've been fine, why get it now?"
- minikites 5y ago
  You have it exactly right, this is just the current excuse. The excuse will change as time goes on.
  - kickout 5y ago
    I mean...kind of like the excuses we need masks ad infinitum, regardless of vaccine status? Both points are valid IMO
    - maxerickson 5y ago
      It was timid, but the CDC has in fact released relaxed mask guidance for vaccinated people.
      - grillvogel 5y ago
        the guidance that implicitly increased mask usage and confusion by claiming that vaccinated people can stop wearing masks outside even though it was already fine to be maskless outdoors?
        maxerickson 5y ago
        That they made a mess of it doesn't remove it as evidence that official policies will change to account for increased vaccination.
laurent92 5y ago
France here, I’m just waiting for the end of the state of emergency + two months. I’ll vaccinate when the press is free to discuss the problems (and does it). I estimate we can’t know the truth about vaccines as long as the press is mandated by law to say what the president mandates them to say, and there is no reason to trust a president who holds his “conseil des ministres” in a bunker (“conseil de défense sanitaire”, jail time for anyone who discloses the contents - seriously why do they have to hide). It’s not like they didn’t lie to us during Chernobyl or by saying “masks are medically useless, according to le conseil sanitaire” (words of President Macron in April 2020 - our current president) so they have 0% track record of being good custodians of truth. Research is supposed to be dirty with plenty of disagreeing voices. As long as we see scientists agreeing in the press: It’s not science, it’s staged. During the period of blood transfusions with AIDS, we actively contaminated hundreds of thousands here in France, fully knowing what we were doing, and masquerading all of it in the press. I’m pro-vax in the end, but concerning rushed vaccines with no freedom of press to disclose scandals: I’ll just wait it off, thanks.
- alibarber 5y ago
  Wow - I did not know that was the case. Look - I'm pretty pro-vax, I went and paid for a bunch privately a couple of years ago because I was travelling and thought 'why not get them all?' (like going for the nice-fancy-extra car wash program), and always get the flu shot - but that, wow, sounds frankly outrageous. [EDIT] As a Brit in Europe - I do sometimes get the feeling that a lot of this is political maneuvering managing the fallout from the EU's less than stellar program (people can debate all they like, but the objective facts are: They tried, for the first time, to procure vaccines centrally, and after the same amount of time, demographics in the UK and US have them that don't in the EU), so maybe that's why they're so protective about it.
- rportugal 5y ago
  My exact position, but I'm in the UK. However, you can't have a civilised discussion about any of this, without being labeled anti-vax...
jimbob45 5y ago
I know this is anecdotal but I’ve been closely following my friends who have been on the fence about getting vaccines in several states and the number one blocking issue they encounter is bad website design in signing up for the vaccine. I’ve had friends all ready to such up even though they’re not 100% on board who get bored after five minutes of not being able to sign up and just leave. For example, at HEB, I signed up for a vaccine time and upon receiving my first dose, the second appointment was automatically assigned in exactly six weeks. Easy. My buddy who tried to sign up at Fred Meyers had to schedule both of his appointments at one. Although he had a time-slot for his first appointment, he couldn’t get a second appointment time-slot and gave up. Almost invariably, it’s the West Coast pharmacies that have garbage sites. I really don’t understand why. Again, this is all anecdotal.
- cipher_system 5y ago
  I got a call today from my district health care center and they told me I have an appointment for Saturday. Took no more than a couple of seconds and only required me to press one button. Super convenient and it was so much easier than booking a covid test through our health regions app. I work with web stuff but often dislike using it, maybe someday we can make it so that it's as easy as receiving or making a call.

minikites 5y ago

So in other words, people like that want to wait and see how it goes for all of the expendable people before they try it themselves, because they're the protagonist of reality.

retrac 5y ago
I mean... Yes? That's how it goes with experimental drugs. Let's say it's March 2020. They've whipped up the first batch of mRNA which will hopefully induce spike protein production. Never before tried in humans. But it didn't kill the rats! How eager would you be to take that shot? Like don't get me wrong. We should have begun human experiments with some brave volunteers far sooner and with more recklessness, given the stakes. But no one really wants to be the first dozen, or thousand, or in the first long-term study on side effects.
burnished 5y ago
This is a needlessly inflammatory take on the situation.
- minikites 5y ago
  I don't have much respect for people who are that selfish. If the only reason someone is "hesitating" is because they believe other people are less important or more expendable than them, I'm not really bothered if their feelings are hurt.
ehvatum 5y ago
I got the Pfizer vax, which like all available COVID vaccines in the US, is authorized for distribution on an emergency basis - because these vaccines have yet to be verified safe and effective by phase 3 studies. Waiting until proper FDA approval does not require solipsism.
dang 5y ago
Would you please stop posting flamewar comments? We're trying for something other than that here, and this one is a noticeable step hellward. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html Edit: we've asked you this multiple times before. If you keep doing it we are going to have to ban you.

mattm 5y ago

How much longer do these people need to wait? Tens (if not hundreds) of millions of people have now received the vaccine. It's more likely that they'll never get it because later on they'll think "well, I've gone this long without getting it and I've been fine, why get it now?"

minikites 5y ago
You have it exactly right, this is just the current excuse. The excuse will change as time goes on.
- kickout 5y ago
  I mean...kind of like the excuses we need masks ad infinitum, regardless of vaccine status? Both points are valid IMO
  - maxerickson 5y ago
    It was timid, but the CDC has in fact released relaxed mask guidance for vaccinated people.
    - grillvogel 5y ago
      the guidance that implicitly increased mask usage and confusion by claiming that vaccinated people can stop wearing masks outside even though it was already fine to be maskless outdoors?
      - maxerickson 5y ago
        That they made a mess of it doesn't remove it as evidence that official policies will change to account for increased vaccination.

laurent92 5y ago

France here, I’m just waiting for the end of the state of emergency + two months. I’ll vaccinate when the press is free to discuss the problems (and does it). I estimate we can’t know the truth about vaccines as long as the press is mandated by law to say what the president mandates them to say, and there is no reason to trust a president who holds his “conseil des ministres” in a bunker (“conseil de défense sanitaire”, jail time for anyone who discloses the contents - seriously why do they have to hide). It’s not like they didn’t lie to us during Chernobyl or by saying “masks are medically useless, according to le conseil sanitaire” (words of President Macron in April 2020 - our current president) so they have 0% track record of being good custodians of truth. Research is supposed to be dirty with plenty of disagreeing voices. As long as we see scientists agreeing in the press: It’s not science, it’s staged. During the period of blood transfusions with AIDS, we actively contaminated hundreds of thousands here in France, fully knowing what we were doing, and masquerading all of it in the press. I’m pro-vax in the end, but concerning rushed vaccines with no freedom of press to disclose scandals: I’ll just wait it off, thanks.

alibarber 5y ago
Wow - I did not know that was the case. Look - I'm pretty pro-vax, I went and paid for a bunch privately a couple of years ago because I was travelling and thought 'why not get them all?' (like going for the nice-fancy-extra car wash program), and always get the flu shot - but that, wow, sounds frankly outrageous. [EDIT] As a Brit in Europe - I do sometimes get the feeling that a lot of this is political maneuvering managing the fallout from the EU's less than stellar program (people can debate all they like, but the objective facts are: They tried, for the first time, to procure vaccines centrally, and after the same amount of time, demographics in the UK and US have them that don't in the EU), so maybe that's why they're so protective about it.
rportugal 5y ago
My exact position, but I'm in the UK. However, you can't have a civilised discussion about any of this, without being labeled anti-vax...

jimbob45 5y ago

I know this is anecdotal but I’ve been closely following my friends who have been on the fence about getting vaccines in several states and the number one blocking issue they encounter is bad website design in signing up for the vaccine. I’ve had friends all ready to such up even though they’re not 100% on board who get bored after five minutes of not being able to sign up and just leave. For example, at HEB, I signed up for a vaccine time and upon receiving my first dose, the second appointment was automatically assigned in exactly six weeks. Easy. My buddy who tried to sign up at Fred Meyers had to schedule both of his appointments at one. Although he had a time-slot for his first appointment, he couldn’t get a second appointment time-slot and gave up. Almost invariably, it’s the West Coast pharmacies that have garbage sites. I really don’t understand why. Again, this is all anecdotal.

cipher_system 5y ago
I got a call today from my district health care center and they told me I have an appointment for Saturday. Took no more than a couple of seconds and only required me to press one button. Super convenient and it was so much easier than booking a covid test through our health regions app. I work with web stuff but often dislike using it, maybe someday we can make it so that it's as easy as receiving or making a call.