There's something a bit more subtle than whether DMT elves or Ayahuasca gods exist agents in the fashion imagined. It is pretty certain that the do not; there

There's something a bit more subtle than whether DMT elves or Ayahuasca gods exist agents in the fashion imagined. It is pretty certain that the do not; there are anecdotal first hand accounts to be found of DMT cosmonauts putting the screws in and never TMK got anything verifiable, e.g, requests for factoring for large numbers, etc. Nothing. But, the consistencies in how humans report and "feel" about these things, is also interesting, and this is a kind of gray area existence that is more than just word-play. I'd describe it as a domain in which one can experience and prod first-hand one of the higher levels of the "stack" of the human psyche, that is: the order, categories, logic, projected agency, etc., our own perceptual->cognitive processes imposes on the world. One of the promises that psychedelics realize is the rare opportunity to see something akin to the console/debugger view of these processes, which by design are usually imperceptible to us. The low levels of the stack (trippy visuals, coarse emotional tides) are popular entertainment. The high levels of the stack (awe and foundational meaning and divine agency/purpose) are more dangerous maybe to engage for the lolz but there seems to be a lot there we can work with to our betterment which is real, in the sense that he universe we perceive and inhabit is real, whether we analytically know that it is fabricated or not. Analogy that comes to mind: walking a 2x4 plank placed on the floor, while inhabiting open air 50 stories up with VR googles. I knew damn well there was drop. I couldn't step forward, or off, and had to crawl. What we know to be real, is not always what is causally and experientially real...