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"The point is to break out of the box, but once out, you don't need to keep doing it." Well, it is easy to get into a box again real quick, so there is some lo

"The point is to break out of the box, but once out, you don't need to keep doing it." Well, it is easy to get into a box again real quick, so there is some logic to keep doing it. But I really don't like the idea of needing a drug to be free, so yes, there are other ways. But if some have a working system with regular Ayuhasca or some other drug, why not. It used to be a community ritual as far as I know and I can really see benefits in doing so, if done right. I did such a Ayuhasca ceremony 14 years ago in some australian jungle (including the traditional preparation of the drug) and it just was the right time and place and I would not have mind to have such a experience in a group regulary. But I really don't feel it to go to one of those Ayuhasca centers that are now also around europe for example. And Ayuhasca is also no magic eye opener. The last person I spoke to, who did such a thing, was overall quite happy with it - but his main takeaway was a feeling of righteousness in his personal belive system - and since his believes were very spaced out - it was a reason for me to still pass on that. I don't want my believe system to reimbursed. I want to get new insights and reflexion of what I am doing and let go of things I don't need anymore.

yosito 6y ago
> Well, it is easy to get into a box again real quick, so there is some logic to keep doing it. Once you've been out of the box, it's easier to get yourself out of it the next time.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  Or harder, when you assume yourself to be enlightened after the first time, with no further work required. I got to know too many of such people.
  - yosito 6y ago
    Fair enough. For me, self awareness is a prerequisite for responsible consumption of any substance that alters one's mental state. But it's not safe to assume that everyone practices self awareness. And you're right, a lot of people do not.
throwaway316943 6y ago
> The last person I spoke to, who did such a thing, was overall quite happy with it - but his main takeaway was a feeling of righteousness in his personal belive system Sounds like someone decided to follow the techno-demon
- bckr 6y ago
  But the techno-demon is only called so because the perceiver has filtered it through their belief system. Could just as easily be a techno-angel. I'd like to help Pachamama to give birth to us again into space. I think she's down.
okareaman 6y ago
> it is easy to get into a box again real quick, so there is some logic to keep doing it. It's probably not a good idea to do psychedelics frequently, but you can do the therapies I outlined daily or even continuously. I'm in the habit now of noticing my limiting thoughts and emotions.
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  Frequently in this context means once or twice a year. I think that was the idea of those communities in question, but its been a while, so I am not sure exactly.

yosito 6y ago

> Well, it is easy to get into a box again real quick, so there is some logic to keep doing it. Once you've been out of the box, it's easier to get yourself out of it the next time.

hutzlibu 6y ago
Or harder, when you assume yourself to be enlightened after the first time, with no further work required. I got to know too many of such people.
- yosito 6y ago
  Fair enough. For me, self awareness is a prerequisite for responsible consumption of any substance that alters one's mental state. But it's not safe to assume that everyone practices self awareness. And you're right, a lot of people do not.

throwaway316943 6y ago

> The last person I spoke to, who did such a thing, was overall quite happy with it - but his main takeaway was a feeling of righteousness in his personal belive system Sounds like someone decided to follow the techno-demon

bckr 6y ago
But the techno-demon is only called so because the perceiver has filtered it through their belief system. Could just as easily be a techno-angel. I'd like to help Pachamama to give birth to us again into space. I think she's down.

okareaman 6y ago

> it is easy to get into a box again real quick, so there is some logic to keep doing it. It's probably not a good idea to do psychedelics frequently, but you can do the therapies I outlined daily or even continuously. I'm in the habit now of noticing my limiting thoughts and emotions.

hutzlibu 6y ago
Frequently in this context means once or twice a year. I think that was the idea of those communities in question, but its been a while, so I am not sure exactly.