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I think the parent comment is in agreement. They are saying there are many ways to resolve those traumatic memories that the person is living with, buried and i

I think the parent comment is in agreement. They are saying there are many ways to resolve those traumatic memories that the person is living with, buried and inhibiting a better life.

tempsy 5y ago
OP is equating zoning out with doing psychedelics. I completely disagree with that. Psychedelics don't numb and distract liked drinking alcohol. They do pretty much the exact opposite.
- arthurbrown 5y ago
  Reread OP. This is not what they are trying to convey. They are saying that taking psychedelics can provide a similar breakthrough like awakening after resolving trauma.
  - tempsy 5y ago
    which is why I said "zone out" was bad phrasing...
    - okareaman 5y ago
      I guess it's California surfer slang for being spaced out and not really present
    - justinpowers 5y ago
      OP is saying that it is the trauma that causes the person to “zone out and sleep walk through life”, not the resolution. He’s comparing psychedelics to any more direct resolution of the trauma itself in that they both wake the person up. In other words, if you’re zoning out you have two choices: take psychedelics or just fix the trauma that is causing the zoning out in the first place. A dozen hyphens might help: “...resolving trauma-that-causes-a-person-to-zone-out-and-sleep-walk-through-life can have equivalent effects to psychedelics.”
- okareaman 5y ago
  No, I am not. "zoning out and sleep walking through life" is what Gurdjieff calls "the robot." My experience with trauma was to dissociate. Others I have talked to have the same experience. For example, I did my therapy with veterans, and a drone operator began dissociating after she killed people with a drone in Iraq and was found wandering the streets. We did therapy at the VA. The VA is also looking at MDMA and mushrooms therapy.
- md224 5y ago
  You're misreading this sentence: > I am of the opinion that resolving trauma that causes a person to "zone out" and sleep walk through life can have equivalent effect to psychedelics. The phrase "that causes a person to 'zone out' and sleep walk through life" is meant to describe "trauma", not "resolving trauma". You should read it as "resolving (trauma that causes a person to 'zone out')", not "(resolving trauma) that causes a person to 'zone out'".
- axguscbklp 5y ago
  >Psychedelics don't numb and distract liked drinking alcohol. They do pretty much the exact opposite. This is only very generally if at all true. Psychedelics can numb and distract. Psychedelics can dissociate people further from their feelings. Psychedelics can also make people more aware of their feelings. Psychedelics can make people in touch with their feelings. But it really varies on a case by case basis. It depends on the person, the drug, the particular situation, and so on. A drug that gives one person a dissociative bad trip can give another person a minor escapist experience and can give yet another person a powerful, beneficial, emotionally moving experience.

I think the parent comment is in agreement. They are saying there are many ways to resolve those traumatic memories that the person is living with, buried and inhibiting a better life.

tempsy 5y ago

OP is equating zoning out with doing psychedelics. I completely disagree with that. Psychedelics don't numb and distract liked drinking alcohol. They do pretty much the exact opposite.

arthurbrown 5y ago
Reread OP. This is not what they are trying to convey. They are saying that taking psychedelics can provide a similar breakthrough like awakening after resolving trauma.
- tempsy 5y ago
  which is why I said "zone out" was bad phrasing...
  - okareaman 5y ago
    I guess it's California surfer slang for being spaced out and not really present
  - justinpowers 5y ago
    OP is saying that it is the trauma that causes the person to “zone out and sleep walk through life”, not the resolution. He’s comparing psychedelics to any more direct resolution of the trauma itself in that they both wake the person up. In other words, if you’re zoning out you have two choices: take psychedelics or just fix the trauma that is causing the zoning out in the first place. A dozen hyphens might help: “...resolving trauma-that-causes-a-person-to-zone-out-and-sleep-walk-through-life can have equivalent effects to psychedelics.”
okareaman 5y ago
No, I am not. "zoning out and sleep walking through life" is what Gurdjieff calls "the robot." My experience with trauma was to dissociate. Others I have talked to have the same experience. For example, I did my therapy with veterans, and a drone operator began dissociating after she killed people with a drone in Iraq and was found wandering the streets. We did therapy at the VA. The VA is also looking at MDMA and mushrooms therapy.
md224 5y ago
You're misreading this sentence: > I am of the opinion that resolving trauma that causes a person to "zone out" and sleep walk through life can have equivalent effect to psychedelics. The phrase "that causes a person to 'zone out' and sleep walk through life" is meant to describe "trauma", not "resolving trauma". You should read it as "resolving (trauma that causes a person to 'zone out')", not "(resolving trauma) that causes a person to 'zone out'".
axguscbklp 5y ago
>Psychedelics don't numb and distract liked drinking alcohol. They do pretty much the exact opposite. This is only very generally if at all true. Psychedelics can numb and distract. Psychedelics can dissociate people further from their feelings. Psychedelics can also make people more aware of their feelings. Psychedelics can make people in touch with their feelings. But it really varies on a case by case basis. It depends on the person, the drug, the particular situation, and so on. A drug that gives one person a dissociative bad trip can give another person a minor escapist experience and can give yet another person a powerful, beneficial, emotionally moving experience.