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> There's not a lot of "cultural fluency" involved in matching squares There are a lot of cultural factors involved in believing a seemingly pointless exercise

> There's not a lot of "cultural fluency" involved in matching squares There are a lot of cultural factors involved in believing a seemingly pointless exercise like matching squares is worth doing. You have to believe that something good can come out of it in general; and you have to believe that something good can come out of it specifically for yourself.

whatshisface 5y ago
Accurately measuring the performance of someone who is not interested in demonstrating their performance seems like an impossible task for anyone but GLaDOS from the Portal series. ;) More seriously, random pattern matching questions are the best you can do to control for the not-caring factor, because they eliminate the advantage of test prep. The SAT has a significant test prep factor, which I agree is highly confounded by "culture" (a byword for how much your parents make you study) and the circumstances and opportunities related to test prep, including the motivation of the student, and the availability of a place to study and study materials. IQ tests are significantly more meritocratic than algorithms interviews or the SAT.
- _hyn3 5y ago
  I've never taken an IQ test and never plan to. I took the SAT, but it has significantly changed over the years; my score today would not be translatable to my score then. OT, but I really love GlaDOS and hope there's another Portal soon.
  - majewsky 5y ago
    If you haven't seen it yet, check out "Portal Reloaded" on Steam. It's a fan-made game like "Portal Stories Mel" from a few years ago, but Reloaded goes as far as adding entirely new mechanics. It's about as close as we'll ever get to Portal 3.
nocommentguy 5y ago
That could be true, but it’s still a good measure of IQ. This “cultural” angle is a narrative that started from criticisms of SAT vocab tests and critics of IQ tests latched onto it and hope they can convince everyone that IQ isn’t real and everyone is equally smart in their own way

whatshisface 5y ago

Accurately measuring the performance of someone who is not interested in demonstrating their performance seems like an impossible task for anyone but GLaDOS from the Portal series. ;) More seriously, random pattern matching questions are the best you can do to control for the not-caring factor, because they eliminate the advantage of test prep. The SAT has a significant test prep factor, which I agree is highly confounded by "culture" (a byword for how much your parents make you study) and the circumstances and opportunities related to test prep, including the motivation of the student, and the availability of a place to study and study materials. IQ tests are significantly more meritocratic than algorithms interviews or the SAT.

_hyn3 5y ago
I've never taken an IQ test and never plan to. I took the SAT, but it has significantly changed over the years; my score today would not be translatable to my score then. OT, but I really love GlaDOS and hope there's another Portal soon.
- majewsky 5y ago
  If you haven't seen it yet, check out "Portal Reloaded" on Steam. It's a fan-made game like "Portal Stories Mel" from a few years ago, but Reloaded goes as far as adding entirely new mechanics. It's about as close as we'll ever get to Portal 3.

nocommentguy 5y ago

That could be true, but it’s still a good measure of IQ. This “cultural” angle is a narrative that started from criticisms of SAT vocab tests and critics of IQ tests latched onto it and hope they can convince everyone that IQ isn’t real and everyone is equally smart in their own way