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How do you define "online service creation"? Does my personal blog qualify? What about the period of time where I didn't serve anything to the web but was usin

How do you define "online service creation"? Does my personal blog qualify? What about the period of time where I didn't serve anything to the web but was using my server to run a personal email & jabber server? What about the time where I didn't even do that and was using my server as a remote shell for me and a couple friends? What about when I was running it just for me? Should it matter that nobody else should have any interest in masterzora.net since I've (almost; there are a couple silly outliers) uniquely held that handle for over a decade? Every "simple" solution I've heard for the squatter problem is only simple because it's focusing on a simple case.

hessenwolf 15y ago
Everything to do with http://beerhallsofmunich.com/ http://beerhallsofmunich.com/ is squatting. It could be a case study. Incidentally, I bought that to test a system and I will happily transfer it for free to anyone willing to blog/sell teeshirts/whatever about beerhalls in Muenchen. (oh and the ads are default provided by the registrar - please don't click on them!)
ohashi 15y ago
Not to mention the problem of who regulates and monitors. Conflicting interests in the same domain? It's such a complex mess, these simple solutions don't even begin to grasp at understanding the system.
- rooshdi 15y ago
  It's such a complex mess, these simple solutions don't even begin to grasp at understanding the system. Just because it's complex doesn't mean we can't work towards trying to solve or improve this issue. We can either try to improve it for entrepreneurs and users, or allow it to continue to work in the best interest of sitting squatters.
  - ohashi 15y ago
    Domain squatting is a specific term, it means someone who registers in bad faith to infringe on another company's trademark. Let's be clear about that. Perhaps the system is already optimized for capitalism and entrepreneurship. There are plenty of domains available for next to nothing. Better ones that others have already come up with will cost more. This means that only better financed companies can afford them. Thus, better names go to better companies (in general). Bad companies fail and disappear and a less valuable domain was taken in the process and is now weeded out. Of course, with all these 'noble' goals of helping users and entrepreneurs, drawing actual concrete lines anywhere is virtually impossible. When actually trying to tackle this problem, you realize it's at an equilibrium (albeit a low level one).
    - rooshdi 15y ago
      Domain squatting is a specific term, it means someone who registers in bad faith to infringe on another company's trademark. Let's be clear about that. Yes, the bad faith intent is the major issue we are trying to deter. There are way too many domain squatters who buy domains solely with bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of an entrepreneur looking to create a service for the public. This is the fundamental issue at hand.
      - ohashi 15y ago
        This right is why I don't see a constructive solution ever coming from you. Buying something with intent to profit is bad faith. That's bullshit, plain and simple. We live in a capitalist society. We buy things with the intent to profit all the time. That's what our whole society is BUILT ON. We spend money on labor and capital in hopes of earning a greater return. You twist this idea by saying someone has registered it with the bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of an entrepreneur looking to create a service. Goodwill doesn't exist until it is created. It's been show time and time again that you cannot buy something in bad faith before something exists. That's just not possible. How can you simply assume it's blocking something to be created for the public as well? You make way too many broad and wrong assumptions to try and reach a conclusion you simply want for your own selfish reasons disguised as a greater good.
rooshdi 15y ago
Every "simple" solution I've heard for the squatter problem is only simple because it's focusing on a simple case. Yes, but more sophisticated solutions will gradually be put in place to consider most cases. Think of it sort of like the App Store approval process but for .com domain registrations. Every domain suffix could be reserved for a particular sort of online category. Dot com domains would be reserved for businesses, while .net could be reserved for personal server projects, .me domains for blogs, etc. Obviously, there are going to be other things to consider, but with gradual adjustments, I'm sure the system would be much more suitable to entrepreneurship than it is right now.

hessenwolf 15y ago

Everything to do with http://beerhallsofmunich.com/ http://beerhallsofmunich.com/ is squatting. It could be a case study. Incidentally, I bought that to test a system and I will happily transfer it for free to anyone willing to blog/sell teeshirts/whatever about beerhalls in Muenchen. (oh and the ads are default provided by the registrar - please don't click on them!)

ohashi 15y ago

Not to mention the problem of who regulates and monitors. Conflicting interests in the same domain? It's such a complex mess, these simple solutions don't even begin to grasp at understanding the system.

rooshdi 15y ago
It's such a complex mess, these simple solutions don't even begin to grasp at understanding the system. Just because it's complex doesn't mean we can't work towards trying to solve or improve this issue. We can either try to improve it for entrepreneurs and users, or allow it to continue to work in the best interest of sitting squatters.
- ohashi 15y ago
  Domain squatting is a specific term, it means someone who registers in bad faith to infringe on another company's trademark. Let's be clear about that. Perhaps the system is already optimized for capitalism and entrepreneurship. There are plenty of domains available for next to nothing. Better ones that others have already come up with will cost more. This means that only better financed companies can afford them. Thus, better names go to better companies (in general). Bad companies fail and disappear and a less valuable domain was taken in the process and is now weeded out. Of course, with all these 'noble' goals of helping users and entrepreneurs, drawing actual concrete lines anywhere is virtually impossible. When actually trying to tackle this problem, you realize it's at an equilibrium (albeit a low level one).
  - rooshdi 15y ago
    Domain squatting is a specific term, it means someone who registers in bad faith to infringe on another company's trademark. Let's be clear about that. Yes, the bad faith intent is the major issue we are trying to deter. There are way too many domain squatters who buy domains solely with bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of an entrepreneur looking to create a service for the public. This is the fundamental issue at hand.
    - ohashi 15y ago
      This right is why I don't see a constructive solution ever coming from you. Buying something with intent to profit is bad faith. That's bullshit, plain and simple. We live in a capitalist society. We buy things with the intent to profit all the time. That's what our whole society is BUILT ON. We spend money on labor and capital in hopes of earning a greater return. You twist this idea by saying someone has registered it with the bad faith intent to profit from the goodwill of an entrepreneur looking to create a service. Goodwill doesn't exist until it is created. It's been show time and time again that you cannot buy something in bad faith before something exists. That's just not possible. How can you simply assume it's blocking something to be created for the public as well? You make way too many broad and wrong assumptions to try and reach a conclusion you simply want for your own selfish reasons disguised as a greater good.

rooshdi 15y ago

Every "simple" solution I've heard for the squatter problem is only simple because it's focusing on a simple case. Yes, but more sophisticated solutions will gradually be put in place to consider most cases. Think of it sort of like the App Store approval process but for .com domain registrations. Every domain suffix could be reserved for a particular sort of online category. Dot com domains would be reserved for businesses, while .net could be reserved for personal server projects, .me domains for blogs, etc. Obviously, there are going to be other things to consider, but with gradual adjustments, I'm sure the system would be much more suitable to entrepreneurship than it is right now.