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There are active lawsuits going on by something like 49 out of 50 states. That's how damning evidence like this -- as well as Facebook offering to share unencry

by dannyw 6y ago

There are active lawsuits going on by something like 49 out of 50 states. That's how damning evidence like this -- as well as Facebook offering to share unencrypted WhatsApp messages with Google (through the "backup to Drive" feature) -- came out to light. Unfortunately a lot of HN readers are dismissing this or calling it partisan grandstanding, just because it's Texas that filed it.

propogandist 6y ago
> Facebook offering to share unencrypted WhatsApp messages with Google where can I read more on why they allowed this?
- burkaman 6y ago
  I haven't found any statements about it from either company, but here's a decent article: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/whatsapp-google-drive-backups-plaintext,37718.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/whatsapp-google-drive-back...
  - hedora 6y ago
    According to that article, they also snoop on the content of any files stored in Drive. To think, just a decade ago, this article seemed paranoid, to the point where even the author seemed to think it was an oversight in the Terms of Service: https://techland.time.com/2012/04/26/will-google-drive-snoop-inside-your-data-google-needs-to-be-clearer/ https://techland.time.com/2012/04/26/will-google-drive-snoop... Interestingly, they give (gave?) themselves redistribution and performance rights for Drive contents at the same time. How long until they start openly using those rights, I wonder?
    - alisonkisk 6y ago
      Where does the article say they snoop? Drive is unencrypted because it is indexed for personal search. What is the snooping part? > redistribution and performance rights for Drive This is completely standard and required so that they can provide syncing and sharing.
- nerbert 6y ago
  It's written in your whatsapp backup settings.
  - propogandist 6y ago
    I meant leaks or new information exposing how/why FB intentionally made backups unencrypted when storing on Google Drive. I am aware that Whatsapp does this and have avoided Whatsapp’s Google Drive backup overall.
tomComb 6y ago
It is partisan because Oracle told us so. They have bragged that they ran a decade long well financed effort to make all these actions against Google happen, and what we see now is the culmination of that. I don't doubt they "won" in the end, but I'm baffled that they brag about "competing" like that.
- tomComb 6y ago
  Here's some evidence... Oracle for years secretly lobbied states, Justice Department to sue Google - Bloomberg (2020-12-23) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-23/oracle-for-years-secretly-lobbied-states-justice-department-to-sue-google https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-23/oracle-fo...

by dannyw 6y ago

propogandist 6y ago

> Facebook offering to share unencrypted WhatsApp messages with Google where can I read more on why they allowed this?

burkaman 6y ago
I haven't found any statements about it from either company, but here's a decent article: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/whatsapp-google-drive-backups-plaintext,37718.html https://www.tomshardware.com/news/whatsapp-google-drive-back...
- hedora 6y ago
  According to that article, they also snoop on the content of any files stored in Drive. To think, just a decade ago, this article seemed paranoid, to the point where even the author seemed to think it was an oversight in the Terms of Service: https://techland.time.com/2012/04/26/will-google-drive-snoop-inside-your-data-google-needs-to-be-clearer/ https://techland.time.com/2012/04/26/will-google-drive-snoop... Interestingly, they give (gave?) themselves redistribution and performance rights for Drive contents at the same time. How long until they start openly using those rights, I wonder?
  - alisonkisk 6y ago
    Where does the article say they snoop? Drive is unencrypted because it is indexed for personal search. What is the snooping part? > redistribution and performance rights for Drive This is completely standard and required so that they can provide syncing and sharing.
nerbert 6y ago
It's written in your whatsapp backup settings.
- propogandist 6y ago
  I meant leaks or new information exposing how/why FB intentionally made backups unencrypted when storing on Google Drive. I am aware that Whatsapp does this and have avoided Whatsapp’s Google Drive backup overall.

tomComb 6y ago

It is partisan because Oracle told us so. They have bragged that they ran a decade long well financed effort to make all these actions against Google happen, and what we see now is the culmination of that. I don't doubt they "won" in the end, but I'm baffled that they brag about "competing" like that.

tomComb 6y ago
Here's some evidence... Oracle for years secretly lobbied states, Justice Department to sue Google - Bloomberg (2020-12-23) https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-23/oracle-for-years-secretly-lobbied-states-justice-department-to-sue-google https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-12-23/oracle-fo...