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In terms of usability (their UI/UX, integration with Terraform, etc.), features and support, would you recommend Hetzner Cloud over Digital Ocean? I'm really in

In terms of usability (their UI/UX, integration with Terraform, etc.), features and support, would you recommend Hetzner Cloud over Digital Ocean? I'm really interested, but, for instance, I don't see Hetzner offers VPCs, right?

the_duke 5y ago
The UI is very responsive and well done. The TF provider has been excellent and bug free, in my experience. DO has a few features that Hetzner lacks: S3 equivalent, managed Kubernetes and managed databases. So you need to have enough tolerance for managing all of that yourself. (they do have storage volumes, so you can get there with self hosted Minio etc, but it's obviously more work) Support is pretty good, but quite a bit more responsive if you have larger deployments.
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- e_proxus 5y ago
  I tried to use DO Spaces (their S3 equivalent) to store 13 Kb of Pulumi state data, it took 5 minutes to save. Switched to AWS S3, it took less than a second. It seems to be seriously rate limited to the point of being unusable.
j45 5y ago
I would be weary of DigitalOcean. DigitalOcean unlike other providers does not allow you to easily download your disk images or backups of your own servers. It has been a feature requested many times and support simply lets you (eventually) know that it’s not going to happen. That means you cannot have backups stored in more than one location, and more regularly, it’s a veiled form of lock in to make it unable for you to move. Other vendors simply let you download your disk image, snapshot or backup at anytime. DO has a good interface, but so do others. Proxmox or ESXi can be run pretty easily on a piece of equipment too. OVH and Hetzner are strong options, and I have heard good experiences with Linode, who’s pricing is on part with DO.
- onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
  Can't you just: 1. mount /mnt/archive <block_storage> 2. dd if=/dev/<your_sda_partition> of=/mnt/archive/<my_image> bs=64K conv=noerror,sync 3. Download your image from your block. ?
  - j45 5y ago
    Sure. The point is it’s not one click to download like other vendors. It’s an active and intentional hurdle, it could just link to the file of the snapshot and allow you to DL.

the_duke 5y ago

The UI is very responsive and well done. The TF provider has been excellent and bug free, in my experience. DO has a few features that Hetzner lacks: S3 equivalent, managed Kubernetes and managed databases. So you need to have enough tolerance for managing all of that yourself. (they do have storage volumes, so you can get there with self hosted Minio etc, but it's obviously more work) Support is pretty good, but quite a bit more responsive if you have larger deployments.

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e_proxus 5y ago
I tried to use DO Spaces (their S3 equivalent) to store 13 Kb of Pulumi state data, it took 5 minutes to save. Switched to AWS S3, it took less than a second. It seems to be seriously rate limited to the point of being unusable.

j45 5y ago

I would be weary of DigitalOcean. DigitalOcean unlike other providers does not allow you to easily download your disk images or backups of your own servers. It has been a feature requested many times and support simply lets you (eventually) know that it’s not going to happen. That means you cannot have backups stored in more than one location, and more regularly, it’s a veiled form of lock in to make it unable for you to move. Other vendors simply let you download your disk image, snapshot or backup at anytime. DO has a good interface, but so do others. Proxmox or ESXi can be run pretty easily on a piece of equipment too. OVH and Hetzner are strong options, and I have heard good experiences with Linode, who’s pricing is on part with DO.

onlyrealcuzzo 5y ago
Can't you just: 1. mount /mnt/archive <block_storage> 2. dd if=/dev/<your_sda_partition> of=/mnt/archive/<my_image> bs=64K conv=noerror,sync 3. Download your image from your block. ?
- j45 5y ago
  Sure. The point is it’s not one click to download like other vendors. It’s an active and intentional hurdle, it could just link to the file of the snapshot and allow you to DL.