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You going to pay for my tow? The increase in cost to the apartment complex that's going to get passed straight to me on top of the cost of the electric vehicle?
by msrenee 5y ago
You going to pay for my tow? The increase in cost to the apartment complex that's going to get passed straight to me on top of the cost of the electric vehicle?
How about maintenance? I do most of my own work on our vehicles. I bought an older truck because I didn't want to deal with all the electronics. Now I'm supposed to buy a vehicle that's not only all electronics, but has potentially dangerous batteries that I don't have the skills to touch? My windows roll down with a crank handle. That was one of my requirements when I bought it. When that mechanism breaks, I can get replacement parts out of the junkyard or off ebay and throw it back together with a little common sense.
I am all about the environment. It's a big deal for me. I cannot, absolutely can not, make an electric vehicle work for my lifestyle. My horse injures her leg, you going to pay the extra $50 for the vet to make a farm call on top of the $500 I'm already going to owe for meds and treatment? That's if it's within office hours. Because I can't haul even my cheap little straight load with a Tesla.
Electric vehicles make sense in the big city. For us out here, who need to haul livestock, hay, shit, even just furniture to move, an electric vehicle is not an option if you can't afford 2 vehicles. Oh, just hire movers. Get delivery from the furniture store. $50 to deliver a grill that doesn't fit in an electric car and you know what kind of vehicle is going to deliver it? Surely not an electric one.
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- bryanlarsen 5y ago> You going to pay for my tow? How often have you run out of gas? That's a stupid mistake you make as a kid once and it never happens again. Running out of charge will be little different. And next gen EV's like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 will be able to give other EV's a top-up. > The increase in cost to the apartment complex that's going to get passed straight to me on top of the cost of the electric vehicle? Tax credits in the new infrastructure plan should cover most of the cost. And if costs tons of money to run power to every stall you're paying the wrong electrician. Even 115V power sufficient for most city EV drivers, but a dryer outlet is better. > How about maintenance? One of the main advantages of EV's is that they need far less maintenance. > Because I can't haul even my cheap little straight load with a Tesla. All the EV trucks coming on the market will tow a heck of a lot more than gasoline trucks will. > you know what kind of vehicle is going to deliver it? Surely not an electric one. Short haul delivery is an ideal use case for electric vehicles. > Electric vehicles make sense in the big city. Electric vehicles make a lot of sense out in the country. You've got lots of room for solar panels so you can save a lot of cash and are no longer dependent on fuel deliveries. Electric motors deliver tons of the torque that is crucial when doing real work.
- msrenee 5y agoI can get from one gas station to another on a tank. Barely sometimes, but I can make it. There's stretches I used to drive on a regular basis where the only gas station within 60 miles closed at 5pm. You think Thedford is going to be able to install chargers that won't take 8 hours to fill a battery? That and Stapleton are the big towns in the area and neither is much more than a gas station between cornfields. I worked for the government doing aquatic ecology surveys. We'd drive over 300 miles just to get to the hotel we were based out of for those sampling locations. Is there a vehicle out there with the storage space of an F150 with a covered bed that can make that trip and be ready to bounce around the middle of nowhere 8 hours later? You work out those tax credits and let me know. That's going to cost the government a lot of money they're not going to part with easily. Electric vehicles don't need headlights changed? Oil? Alternator? I'll give you that I'm 99.9% sure they don't have spark plugs. How about the windows? Automatic door locks? How much will a new key cost me? The 2008 Subaru cost $150 per key. Not even the fob, just the key. My truck keys costs $3 at the hardware store. Is it going to have one of those frustrating touch screens that I can't see during the day? How about when it does need maintenance that I can't do? How much does that cost? Labor's already 75% of the repair cost. What's it going to be when it's the labor of someone willing to mess with the sort of batteries that are used in electric cars? >All the EV trucks coming on the market will tow a heck of a lot more than gasoline trucks will. When they come on the market. How much will they cost? I paid 10k for my F250 diesel. 2004, 170k miles on it. 5 years ago in a market that had an abundance of rust-free trucks. How many decades is it going to be before I can get an electric truck in that range? I can't afford last year's F150. Shoot, I was trying to buy an F150 under 10 years old when I found the diesel. There wasn't one in decent shape under 15k. How am I supposed to buy a brand new, new tech, electric truck? And how far will they tow this weight? Please map me a reasonable route from Flagstaff Arizona to Witchita Kansas where you think there will ostensibly be charging stations in the next 15 years. Add to that the fact that a horse should not be left in a trailer for more than 8 hours. Pretty much every stop to charge at that point will have to be an overnight stay somewhere the animal can move freely and lie down. We made it a 2 day trip with the diesel. We pushed my mare up towards 10 hours and had to pull over before we got to our stopping point to rest her because she was struggling. How about paying for a transport? Joke's on me, transports on that route cost $2-3k if and only if you can even find someone willing to go that way. Short haul delivery? I've driven box trucks. The small ones have 100 gallon tanks. We filled them about every other day. Are you telling me we already have the technology to charge those in the 10-12 hours they're not in use? Yes, electric vehicles are torquey. I'd love to have one. I'm a sucker for zippy little cars. But I even ignoring the cost, I could not buy one because they are not at all reasonable for my usage. I miss my grand prix. That car was a hoot. I would kill for a Tesla to zip around town in. But I can't afford to buy one even for 20k and I would have to have a second vehicle which costs money in taxes and upkeep that I don't have.
- Volundr 5y ago> How about maintenance? I do most of my own work on our vehicles. I bought an older truck because I didn't want to deal with all the electronics. Now I'm supposed to buy a vehicle that's not only all electronics, but has potentially dangerous batteries that I don't have the skills to touch? What your doing is great, don't change a thing. If your happy with your system, absolutely DO NOT go out and buy an EV. Your doing more for the environment by continuing to use that older vehicle than buying electric. The carbon emissions of manufacturing a new vehicle are often as high or higher than the lifetime tailpipe emissions [0], and it's a price that has already been paid. The longer we can keep existing cars on the road the better. Sure if it's a given your going to buy a new car, and EV is probably better for the environment than an something gas or diesel powered, but if your looking to really do what's best, keep that existing vehicle in good condition as long as possible. [0] https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/2010/sep/23/carbon-footprint-new-car https://www.theguardian.com/environment/green-living-blog/20...
- msrenee 5y agoThank you for understanding where I'm coming from. I consider myself an environmentalist. I was, in fact, in the biology and ecology field until I realized I couldn't afford to bounce from temp job to temp job for the 10 years before finding something permanent. That seems to be the average from speaking to my peers all over the country and I don't suck dick well enough to speed that up. I hope when I get life together enough to buy a new car, that EVs have gotten to a point where I can reasonably own one. But as of now, I'm going to keep my truck and my husband's little jerk of a Honda going and reduce my impact in other ways.
- bryanlarsen 5y agoYou're linking to a article from 2010. It was wrong then, even more wrong now. Production of an electric car emits about 17.5 tonnes of CO2. Each litre of gasoline emits 2.3 kg of CO2. (Yes, the CO2 weighs more than the gasoline. If the old gas car gets 10l/100km, that's 76000 kilometers. The commenter is a rural driver, so that's probably about 2 years worth of driving.
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