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Isn't New York trying to require heavy duty vehicles to be electric by 2045? That's a couple decades, but we can't even get people to adopt commuter vehicles b

Isn't New York trying to require heavy duty vehicles to be electric by 2045? That's a couple decades, but we can't even get people to adopt commuter vehicles because of the inconvenience of charging. How long and how many volts does an F750 need to charge? A 24 foot box truck? A semi? I commute 40 miles each way. It's going to be a very long time before my workplace has electric vehicle plug-ins. Even longer before my apartment complex even considers them. And can you imagine what they'd charge(hehe)? And God forbid we go on a road trip. A 300 mile range is a joke in the Midwest. It's 100 miles round trip to the capitol if you need something from the shops down there. How long will a decent size truck go on a charge? What if I'm hauling a trailer? 2 horses? 4? If we can't get a sedan to go more than 300 miles on a charge, how far is a decent-sized truck going to go hauling a load? You can put more batteries on them, but what about when you misjudge and you're between nothing and nowhere? Is someone going to bring a jug of electricity out to you to get you to the next charging station? I like the idea of an electric vehicle, I really do. It is absolutely not feasible for me. Or the majority of my coworkers. It would make way more sense for me to pick up a motorcycle to commute on as far as sustainability and energy efficiency. But the weather here is prohibitive for that. Even if I could reasonably charge an electric vehicle for my commute, I could not own it as my only vehicle. And I can't afford the taxes and maintenance on a second vehicle. It is just not an option for me or for most of the people I know who aren't upper middle class.

toomuchtodo 5y ago
We can mandate EV chargers anywhere we want them. Workplaces, apartments, wherever. We already do this with handicap parking spots, and the US government can and does subsidize commercial EV installs using tax code. If you run out of charge, you get a tow to a fast DC charger or home. AAA piloted an EV charger truck for dead EVs, and deprecated it because no one was using it. We can fly a helicopter on Mars, but we’re wringing our hands over the equivalent of dryer outlets and where they’re installed. It’s comical. Europe mandated all fast DC chargers inter operate, and everyone swapped their cables to CCS and supported frictionless payments because it was the law (even Tesla at their Superchargers) [1]. It’s a climate emergency [2], not a climate inconvenience, and we should start acting like it collectively. [1] https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/16/standardization-of-ev-charging-in-the-eu/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/16/standardization-of-ev-c... [2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-living-in-a-climate-emergency-and-were-going-to-say-so/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-living-in-...
- msrenee 5y ago
  You going to pay for my tow? The increase in cost to the apartment complex that's going to get passed straight to me on top of the cost of the electric vehicle? How about maintenance? I do most of my own work on our vehicles. I bought an older truck because I didn't want to deal with all the electronics. Now I'm supposed to buy a vehicle that's not only all electronics, but has potentially dangerous batteries that I don't have the skills to touch? My windows roll down with a crank handle. That was one of my requirements when I bought it. When that mechanism breaks, I can get replacement parts out of the junkyard or off ebay and throw it back together with a little common sense. I am all about the environment. It's a big deal for me. I cannot, absolutely can not, make an electric vehicle work for my lifestyle. My horse injures her leg, you going to pay the extra $50 for the vet to make a farm call on top of the $500 I'm already going to owe for meds and treatment? That's if it's within office hours. Because I can't haul even my cheap little straight load with a Tesla. Electric vehicles make sense in the big city. For us out here, who need to haul livestock, hay, shit, even just furniture to move, an electric vehicle is not an option if you can't afford 2 vehicles. Oh, just hire movers. Get delivery from the furniture store. $50 to deliver a grill that doesn't fit in an electric car and you know what kind of vehicle is going to deliver it? Surely not an electric one.
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  - bryanlarsen 5y ago
    > You going to pay for my tow? How often have you run out of gas? That's a stupid mistake you make as a kid once and it never happens again. Running out of charge will be little different. And next gen EV's like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 will be able to give other EV's a top-up. > The increase in cost to the apartment complex that's going to get passed straight to me on top of the cost of the electric vehicle? Tax credits in the new infrastructure plan should cover most of the cost. And if costs tons of money to run power to every stall you're paying the wrong electrician. Even 115V power sufficient for most city EV drivers, but a dryer outlet is better. > How about maintenance? One of the main advantages of EV's is that they need far less maintenance. > Because I can't haul even my cheap little straight load with a Tesla. All the EV trucks coming on the market will tow a heck of a lot more than gasoline trucks will. > you know what kind of vehicle is going to deliver it? Surely not an electric one. Short haul delivery is an ideal use case for electric vehicles. > Electric vehicles make sense in the big city. Electric vehicles make a lot of sense out in the country. You've got lots of room for solar panels so you can save a lot of cash and are no longer dependent on fuel deliveries. Electric motors deliver tons of the torque that is crucial when doing real work.

toomuchtodo 5y ago

We can mandate EV chargers anywhere we want them. Workplaces, apartments, wherever. We already do this with handicap parking spots, and the US government can and does subsidize commercial EV installs using tax code. If you run out of charge, you get a tow to a fast DC charger or home. AAA piloted an EV charger truck for dead EVs, and deprecated it because no one was using it. We can fly a helicopter on Mars, but we’re wringing our hands over the equivalent of dryer outlets and where they’re installed. It’s comical. Europe mandated all fast DC chargers inter operate, and everyone swapped their cables to CCS and supported frictionless payments because it was the law (even Tesla at their Superchargers) [1]. It’s a climate emergency [2], not a climate inconvenience, and we should start acting like it collectively. [1] https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/16/standardization-of-ev-charging-in-the-eu/ https://cleantechnica.com/2019/02/16/standardization-of-ev-c... [2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-living-in-a-climate-emergency-and-were-going-to-say-so/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/we-are-living-in-...

msrenee 5y ago
You going to pay for my tow? The increase in cost to the apartment complex that's going to get passed straight to me on top of the cost of the electric vehicle? How about maintenance? I do most of my own work on our vehicles. I bought an older truck because I didn't want to deal with all the electronics. Now I'm supposed to buy a vehicle that's not only all electronics, but has potentially dangerous batteries that I don't have the skills to touch? My windows roll down with a crank handle. That was one of my requirements when I bought it. When that mechanism breaks, I can get replacement parts out of the junkyard or off ebay and throw it back together with a little common sense. I am all about the environment. It's a big deal for me. I cannot, absolutely can not, make an electric vehicle work for my lifestyle. My horse injures her leg, you going to pay the extra $50 for the vet to make a farm call on top of the $500 I'm already going to owe for meds and treatment? That's if it's within office hours. Because I can't haul even my cheap little straight load with a Tesla. Electric vehicles make sense in the big city. For us out here, who need to haul livestock, hay, shit, even just furniture to move, an electric vehicle is not an option if you can't afford 2 vehicles. Oh, just hire movers. Get delivery from the furniture store. $50 to deliver a grill that doesn't fit in an electric car and you know what kind of vehicle is going to deliver it? Surely not an electric one.
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- bryanlarsen 5y ago
  > You going to pay for my tow? How often have you run out of gas? That's a stupid mistake you make as a kid once and it never happens again. Running out of charge will be little different. And next gen EV's like the Hyundai Ioniq 5 will be able to give other EV's a top-up. > The increase in cost to the apartment complex that's going to get passed straight to me on top of the cost of the electric vehicle? Tax credits in the new infrastructure plan should cover most of the cost. And if costs tons of money to run power to every stall you're paying the wrong electrician. Even 115V power sufficient for most city EV drivers, but a dryer outlet is better. > How about maintenance? One of the main advantages of EV's is that they need far less maintenance. > Because I can't haul even my cheap little straight load with a Tesla. All the EV trucks coming on the market will tow a heck of a lot more than gasoline trucks will. > you know what kind of vehicle is going to deliver it? Surely not an electric one. Short haul delivery is an ideal use case for electric vehicles. > Electric vehicles make sense in the big city. Electric vehicles make a lot of sense out in the country. You've got lots of room for solar panels so you can save a lot of cash and are no longer dependent on fuel deliveries. Electric motors deliver tons of the torque that is crucial when doing real work.