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I once worked for AMD, back when they had fabs, so I can speak to that a bit. There was once a time when IBM paid for new semiconductor manufacturing technolog
by rossdavidh 6y ago
I once worked for AMD, back when they had fabs, so I can speak to that a bit.
There was once a time when IBM paid for new semiconductor manufacturing technology. Applied Materials and TEL and others would actually make the equipment, but IBM would pay for the development at each new node. Then, eventually, they decided they wouldn't pay, they would wait for someone else to do it, because cutting-edge semi's wasn't a core need for them any more.
So, Intel became the new source of funding for research on new production nodes. There were various semi industry consortiums that coordinated all of this, but still someone had to step up with the billions that were required for each new node, and for a while it was Intel that did this.
But then, eventually, the costs of R&D for each new node kept rising faster than the money you got for it, especially given that TSMC and Samsung and the rest also got to buy the new manufacturing equipment from Applied Materials and TEL and so forth, even though they hadn't sunk in the R&D cost to fund it. So, it ended up that the actual new R&D started to be done by the upstream companies that made the equipment which was bought for the fabs. This was already happening by the late 90's when I left the industry; actual semi manuf R&D was done at the equipment manufacturers, not at Intel; Intel was just the one with the financing. It worked until it didn't.
TSMC execs have been quoted as saying they "outsourced their sales and marketing" to American companies.
- pas 6y agoTSMC's upstream is ASML. And interestingly ASML just recently managed to come up with a "good enough" pellicle (a transparent protector for the lithography mask) for EUV, and they are outsourcing the manufacturing of that to Mitsui as fast as they can. "The pellicle production tools have been installed in Mitsui, which this year will ramp up EUV pellicles based on ASML’s technology. Mitsui is no stranger to pellicles, and already produces optical pellicles. ASML will continue to do R&D for future pellicles." https://semiengineering.com/euv-pellicles-finally-ready/ https://semiengineering.com/euv-pellicles-finally-ready/ There is specialization (comparative advantage) outsourcing, with a living connection between the partners. ASML does the R&D an Mitsui scales it up, etc. And there's stubbornness driven outsourcing, where companies for some reason don't want to offer a competitive compensation, but are willing to spend a lot on service contracts. (Because they can claim that the risks are managed by the service provider.) And they end up with subpar solutions supplied by whatever vendors that had the patience to deliver to a completely incompetent client (and the necessary audacity to bill them as much as possible).