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I was wondering about this lately. I lease an ICE car in a major northeast metro where I use on street parking often several blocks from my place. If I went to

I was wondering about this lately. I lease an ICE car in a major northeast metro where I use on street parking often several blocks from my place. If I went to an EV where would I charge my car?

Robotbeat 5y ago
Large battery EVs (like Teslas) can be charged quickly and have similar range to an ICE. But really we need to install 120V outlets near all on-street parking.
- tzs 5y ago
  Assuming 120 V 20 A, that would charge a Tesla model 3 at about 9 miles per hour. If you can use a Tesla Wall Connector on a 240 V circuit with a 60 A breaker, it charges at 44 miles per hour (if extended range model--standard range model maxes out at 30 miles per hour charging) [1]. You've got to have access to a Supercharger to get anywhere near the "charge" rate of an ICE. A Supercharger can do 1000 miles per hour. That's still slower than an ICE, but at least it is almost within an order of magnitude. An ICE that gets 25 miles per gallon can be "charged" by a standard gas pump at 15000 miles per hour. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wall-connector https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wal...
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    This is just not an important issue for home charging. This is why: You just use a Tesla like you use a Plug-in hybrid like a Volt. Charge at 120V every night for about 12 hours or whatever (worth about 60 miles a day and 400 miles a week) and you’ve got a buffer of about 300 miles, which is the same as my Volt. If you ever drop too low, just fill up at a fast charge place. I fill up my Volt maybe once every 6 months and it has just 35 mile electric range. A trip to the Supercharger every 6 months is not a problem, and I’d never need to do it except on road trips (unlike my Volt which occasionally uses up its 35 mile EV range on errands and I need to dig in to that 300 mile buffer). Even with just a 120V charge. Beats going to the gas station every two weeks like y’all have to do. Comments like this really show that non-EV owners simply don’t understand what owning an EV is like. Buy a plug-in hybrid (one with at least 35 mile range and capable of going highway speeds pure electric), which has no risk of “range anxiety”, and you’ll understand why you really spend almost no time charging compared to how much time you have to spend going to gas stations with an ICE vehicle. The issue with people switching to non-EVs is they either have a small, pure-electric EV, they have life events that mean there isn’t an EV available that fits their requirements (frustratingly, no one offers a plug in pickup truck today), or they had to live in a place that won’t let them plug in (which is a good reason to consider a plug-in hybrid).
- Symbiote 5y ago
  I think if you're installing new cables, there'd be no reason not to use 240V.

I was wondering about this lately. I lease an ICE car in a major northeast metro where I use on street parking often several blocks from my place. If I went to an EV where would I charge my car?

Robotbeat 5y ago

Large battery EVs (like Teslas) can be charged quickly and have similar range to an ICE. But really we need to install 120V outlets near all on-street parking.

tzs 5y ago
Assuming 120 V 20 A, that would charge a Tesla model 3 at about 9 miles per hour. If you can use a Tesla Wall Connector on a 240 V circuit with a 60 A breaker, it charges at 44 miles per hour (if extended range model--standard range model maxes out at 30 miles per hour charging) [1]. You've got to have access to a Supercharger to get anywhere near the "charge" rate of an ICE. A Supercharger can do 1000 miles per hour. That's still slower than an ICE, but at least it is almost within an order of magnitude. An ICE that gets 25 miles per gallon can be "charged" by a standard gas pump at 15000 miles per hour. [1] https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wall-connector https://www.tesla.com/support/home-charging-installation/wal...
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  This is just not an important issue for home charging. This is why: You just use a Tesla like you use a Plug-in hybrid like a Volt. Charge at 120V every night for about 12 hours or whatever (worth about 60 miles a day and 400 miles a week) and you’ve got a buffer of about 300 miles, which is the same as my Volt. If you ever drop too low, just fill up at a fast charge place. I fill up my Volt maybe once every 6 months and it has just 35 mile electric range. A trip to the Supercharger every 6 months is not a problem, and I’d never need to do it except on road trips (unlike my Volt which occasionally uses up its 35 mile EV range on errands and I need to dig in to that 300 mile buffer). Even with just a 120V charge. Beats going to the gas station every two weeks like y’all have to do. Comments like this really show that non-EV owners simply don’t understand what owning an EV is like. Buy a plug-in hybrid (one with at least 35 mile range and capable of going highway speeds pure electric), which has no risk of “range anxiety”, and you’ll understand why you really spend almost no time charging compared to how much time you have to spend going to gas stations with an ICE vehicle. The issue with people switching to non-EVs is they either have a small, pure-electric EV, they have life events that mean there isn’t an EV available that fits their requirements (frustratingly, no one offers a plug in pickup truck today), or they had to live in a place that won’t let them plug in (which is a good reason to consider a plug-in hybrid).
Symbiote 5y ago
I think if you're installing new cables, there'd be no reason not to use 240V.