7 ms·

I would like to see some video (not screencast, video) of your 12 year-old son (Note I have raised children who now range in age from 30 to 11, so I have dealt

by bdunbar 15y ago

I would like to see some video (not screencast, video) of your 12 year-old son (Note I have raised children who now range in age from 30 to 11, so I have dealt with things like this for a few years) I am cautiously in favor of people selling a video game as you described to whomever they wish. Or not selling, if they have moral qualms about it. I am not in favor of my 12 year-old son playing a game such as you describe. You do see the difference between a parent making a reasonable and informed choice, and having it made for them? hey want you to give him the Ativan I am not a doctor, this is a question honestly asked. Wiki claims Ativan is not addictive for short-term use. From my POV, you give the guy the stuff to relax his inhibitions, he spills the beans. Or you don't and some deniable non-Americans torture him for the same information. Can you explain your thinking on this? If not, that's cool, but I am honestly curious. video games develop a shitty moral compass. That they do. But that's why we have parents.

niels_olson 15y ago
> Can you explain your thinking on this? I'm not worried about addiction. I'm worried about the slippery slope of becoming complicit in cooperating with people who engage in torture. > But that's why we have parents So, you'd rather make their job harder?
- bdunbar 15y ago
  > I'm worried about the slippery slope Thank you. >> But that's why we have parents > So, you'd rather make their job harder? It's not my place to make another parent's job hard. Or easy. I don't expect or want the government to tell me what my kids can, and cannot see. That's my job, my burden. It's what I signed on for when I had kids and got married.
  - niels_olson 15y ago
    And part of our burden is having the conversation. Part of our burden is trying to make the society we want our kids to live in. I frankly have no problem with slapping Gamestop with some hefty fines if they decide to start selling scantily clad, dripping-with-blod warrior princesses to my kids for $19.95.
    - johnsonman 15y ago
      Do you apply this to other mediums, such as movies? They are also self-regulated, so theoretically your kids could also purchase "scantily clad, dripping-with-blod warrior princess"-themed movies from a video store that isn't following the industry regulations.
    - bdunbar 15y ago
      There is not much one can say to that. Thanks for your replies, it's been a great conversation, Doc.
Alex3917 15y ago
"I am not a doctor, this is a question honestly asked. Wiki claims Ativan is not addictive for short-term use." The issue is that giving someone drugs without their knowledge or consent is akin to rape. Especially when you're talking about a drug that's fairly dangerous.
- bdunbar 15y ago
  I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your metaphor.
  - Alex3917 15y ago
    "I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your metaphor." Why? When a rape victim commits suicide, is that somehow worse than when someone who was dosed with drugs without their knowledge or consent commits suicide? E.g. Alan Turing, Frank Olson, etc.
    - tomp 15y ago
      There are other possible final outcomes to rape/drugging... I too think that the metaphor sucks, not because one would be worse than the other, but because I don't think they can be compared. One is mostly physical, partially emotional intrusion, the other is intellectual... They are both about the most shitty things that can happen. You can only hope that the drugs are powerful enough that you don't really remember what happened.
      - Alex3917 15y ago
        "not because one would be worse than the other, but because I don't think they can be compared." If you want to look at it qualitatively, I would argue that there are a wide variety of different types of rapes, and an equally wide variety of different types of forced drug consumption. So I'm not sure you can even compare within the same category. But what I primarily meant when I said they were comparable is that one should approach them both from a similar normative ethical perspective.
    - 15y ago

by bdunbar 15y ago

niels_olson 15y ago

> Can you explain your thinking on this? I'm not worried about addiction. I'm worried about the slippery slope of becoming complicit in cooperating with people who engage in torture. > But that's why we have parents So, you'd rather make their job harder?

bdunbar 15y ago
> I'm worried about the slippery slope Thank you. >> But that's why we have parents > So, you'd rather make their job harder? It's not my place to make another parent's job hard. Or easy. I don't expect or want the government to tell me what my kids can, and cannot see. That's my job, my burden. It's what I signed on for when I had kids and got married.
- niels_olson 15y ago
  And part of our burden is having the conversation. Part of our burden is trying to make the society we want our kids to live in. I frankly have no problem with slapping Gamestop with some hefty fines if they decide to start selling scantily clad, dripping-with-blod warrior princesses to my kids for $19.95.
  - johnsonman 15y ago
    Do you apply this to other mediums, such as movies? They are also self-regulated, so theoretically your kids could also purchase "scantily clad, dripping-with-blod warrior princess"-themed movies from a video store that isn't following the industry regulations.
  - bdunbar 15y ago
    There is not much one can say to that. Thanks for your replies, it's been a great conversation, Doc.

Alex3917 15y ago

"I am not a doctor, this is a question honestly asked. Wiki claims Ativan is not addictive for short-term use." The issue is that giving someone drugs without their knowledge or consent is akin to rape. Especially when you're talking about a drug that's fairly dangerous.

bdunbar 15y ago
I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your metaphor.
- Alex3917 15y ago
  "I agree with your sentiment, but disagree with your metaphor." Why? When a rape victim commits suicide, is that somehow worse than when someone who was dosed with drugs without their knowledge or consent commits suicide? E.g. Alan Turing, Frank Olson, etc.
  - tomp 15y ago
    There are other possible final outcomes to rape/drugging... I too think that the metaphor sucks, not because one would be worse than the other, but because I don't think they can be compared. One is mostly physical, partially emotional intrusion, the other is intellectual... They are both about the most shitty things that can happen. You can only hope that the drugs are powerful enough that you don't really remember what happened.
    - Alex3917 15y ago
      "not because one would be worse than the other, but because I don't think they can be compared." If you want to look at it qualitatively, I would argue that there are a wide variety of different types of rapes, and an equally wide variety of different types of forced drug consumption. So I'm not sure you can even compare within the same category. But what I primarily meant when I said they were comparable is that one should approach them both from a similar normative ethical perspective.
  - 15y ago