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A lot of folks in here in CA rent homes and apartments because the cost of living out here is so insane. You can't really get a 240V EV charger installed in you

A lot of folks in here in CA rent homes and apartments because the cost of living out here is so insane. You can't really get a 240V EV charger installed in your garage or driveway unless you own a home /w vehicle parking and can make such modifications. Having charging infrastructure nearby becomes very critical for anyone in this situation. Charging infrastructure has not kept up with the EVs that are now on the road. A lot of folks also leased their EVs and got great deals on charging with the lease. As these leases have expired along with their charging discounts, it's not surprising that these folks are returning the cars and switching back to gas powered vehicles with better ROI. More government incentives are needed to build charging infrastructure and make EV ownership more viable for people that don't own a single family home. Otherwise the EV revolution will be dead in the water.

Robotbeat 5y ago
You don’t need 240V. 120V works just fine (and this is MORE true for large battery EVs than small), but landlords don’t let you do use them for charging your car. What we need is for landlords to allow charging on 120V outlets. Normalize it. Actually mandate it be allowed. And cheaply, too. (Landlords would quickly discover affordable ways to accommodate charging.)
- drivingmenuts 5y ago
  For apartment complexes, they would just raise the rent for everyone to cover installation, maintenance, service fees, etc. even for the people who didn’t use them, turning them into a profit point.
  - Robotbeat 5y ago
    And if they could raise rates more to get more profit, they would do it right now. (But this is why we need EVERYONE to have EVs. At least plug in hybrids.)
- kmonsen 5y ago
  Yeah, I have a house and an ev in the Bay Area and have not bothered to install a 240V charger. There are cheap’ish EV’s now with a large enough battery for this. We have the Kia Niro and the battery is more than large enough for this.
dehrmann 5y ago
> You can't really get a 240V EV charger installed in your garage or driveway unless you own a home Not true, unless you specifically mean 240V. > For residential leases signed, renewed or extend on or after July 1, 2015, landlords are required to approve a tenant’s written request to install an electric vehicle charging station at the tenant’s parking space if the tenant enters into a written agreement which includes... https://www.kts-law.com/electric-vehicle-charging-stations-for-california-landlords/ https://www.kts-law.com/electric-vehicle-charging-stations-f...
- x3n0ph3n3 5y ago
  Yes, he specifically means 240V because that's what's usually required for Level 2 charging unless you're 120V supports 20amps. You can get NEMA 5-20 outlets, but most apartments or rentals don't have them and only support 15 amps on a circuit.
  - dehrmann 5y ago
    It looks like a Model 3 that's driven less than 120 miles per day is feasible with level 1 charging.
    - x3n0ph3n3 5y ago
      Do you have an electric car and live in an apartment? Please try to use level 1 charging for a month and let us know if you want to continue doing so rather than just switch back to an ICE. I used to live in an apartment and was able to charge my EV at work. There was no where for me to actually plug in my EV outside. I lived on the 2nd floor and could have just hung a cable out of apartment window to charge, but I wasn't interested in leaving my window open all day every day. During the first several months of the pandemic, I hardly used my EV, preferring my wife's ICE lest I have to take it to a charger near by and wait around for 30+ minutes to charge it. It wasn't until I finally moved into a house a few months ago that I started using my EV again.
      - bryanlarsen 5y ago
TheBill 5y ago
Every new multi family I've seen in the SFBA since 2015 has had charging stations in the garage. Last building in RWC was ~50% of the stalls. SF was 25% or so. Every grocery store I've been at has had 1-5 EV charging stations. Most of the peninsula office complexes have charging at them. All of these are code requirements on new construction. Just takes time to turn things like EPA superfund sites into offices and apartments.
- jldugger 5y ago
  > Every new multi family I've seen in the SFBA since 2015 has had charging stations in the garage. And it's a fight for your charging time, because there are like 100 teslas for 2 chargers.
  - lumberingjack 5y ago
    Or the chargers or situated in the worst possible location way away from everything nearest charging station to where I live is in the bottom of a garage building connected to a mall that's dead and only open for a few hours a day what do you supposed to do chill out in the basement garage while your car charges?
- masonic 5y ago
  Every new multi family I've seen in the SFBA since 2015 has had charging stations in the garage. For every space?
  - TheBill 5y ago
    Pretty much, and last tennant mix was about 20% EV, 80% ICE.

Robotbeat 5y ago

You don’t need 240V. 120V works just fine (and this is MORE true for large battery EVs than small), but landlords don’t let you do use them for charging your car. What we need is for landlords to allow charging on 120V outlets. Normalize it. Actually mandate it be allowed. And cheaply, too. (Landlords would quickly discover affordable ways to accommodate charging.)

drivingmenuts 5y ago
For apartment complexes, they would just raise the rent for everyone to cover installation, maintenance, service fees, etc. even for the people who didn’t use them, turning them into a profit point.
- Robotbeat 5y ago
  And if they could raise rates more to get more profit, they would do it right now. (But this is why we need EVERYONE to have EVs. At least plug in hybrids.)
kmonsen 5y ago
Yeah, I have a house and an ev in the Bay Area and have not bothered to install a 240V charger. There are cheap’ish EV’s now with a large enough battery for this. We have the Kia Niro and the battery is more than large enough for this.

dehrmann 5y ago

> You can't really get a 240V EV charger installed in your garage or driveway unless you own a home Not true, unless you specifically mean 240V. > For residential leases signed, renewed or extend on or after July 1, 2015, landlords are required to approve a tenant’s written request to install an electric vehicle charging station at the tenant’s parking space if the tenant enters into a written agreement which includes... https://www.kts-law.com/electric-vehicle-charging-stations-for-california-landlords/ https://www.kts-law.com/electric-vehicle-charging-stations-f...

x3n0ph3n3 5y ago
Yes, he specifically means 240V because that's what's usually required for Level 2 charging unless you're 120V supports 20amps. You can get NEMA 5-20 outlets, but most apartments or rentals don't have them and only support 15 amps on a circuit.
- dehrmann 5y ago
  It looks like a Model 3 that's driven less than 120 miles per day is feasible with level 1 charging.
  - x3n0ph3n3 5y ago
    Do you have an electric car and live in an apartment? Please try to use level 1 charging for a month and let us know if you want to continue doing so rather than just switch back to an ICE. I used to live in an apartment and was able to charge my EV at work. There was no where for me to actually plug in my EV outside. I lived on the 2nd floor and could have just hung a cable out of apartment window to charge, but I wasn't interested in leaving my window open all day every day. During the first several months of the pandemic, I hardly used my EV, preferring my wife's ICE lest I have to take it to a charger near by and wait around for 30+ minutes to charge it. It wasn't until I finally moved into a house a few months ago that I started using my EV again.
    - bryanlarsen 5y ago

TheBill 5y ago

Every new multi family I've seen in the SFBA since 2015 has had charging stations in the garage. Last building in RWC was ~50% of the stalls. SF was 25% or so. Every grocery store I've been at has had 1-5 EV charging stations. Most of the peninsula office complexes have charging at them. All of these are code requirements on new construction. Just takes time to turn things like EPA superfund sites into offices and apartments.

jldugger 5y ago
> Every new multi family I've seen in the SFBA since 2015 has had charging stations in the garage. And it's a fight for your charging time, because there are like 100 teslas for 2 chargers.
- lumberingjack 5y ago
  Or the chargers or situated in the worst possible location way away from everything nearest charging station to where I live is in the bottom of a garage building connected to a mall that's dead and only open for a few hours a day what do you supposed to do chill out in the basement garage while your car charges?
masonic 5y ago
Every new multi family I've seen in the SFBA since 2015 has had charging stations in the garage. For every space?
- TheBill 5y ago
  Pretty much, and last tennant mix was about 20% EV, 80% ICE.