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> but it's technically difficult I never said it wasn't technically difficult to do something like that at scale. Although, from what I have heard, they actua

by stale2002 6y ago

> but it's technically difficult I never said it wasn't technically difficult to do something like that at scale. Although, from what I have heard, they actually have outsourced most of the technical parts of the app, to some other company also. The point though, is that you should not pretend like this is some revolutionary new thing, that is going to change all of society. Thats all. Its a voice chat app. No need to ascribe anything magic to it. > It's not a flying car or a spaceship Ok great, so you agree with me that the person I was responding too was being kinda silly, by describing a voice chat app, in magic, grandiose terms.

zepto 6y ago
That’s like saying Twitter and Facebook are just text messaging apps. They have changed society. Something can be both simple and revolutionary.
- monoideism 6y ago
  > They have changed society. I think most of us would agree that they've changed society for the worse. It pains me as a starry-eyed techie kid from the 90s that this is what we've done. Life was so much better before social media. But yes, they've dramatically changed society.
  - zepto 6y ago
    > I think most of us would agree that they've changed society for the worse. I agree with this but I didn’t want to presume it, since there are positives too.
- stale2002 6y ago
  I am just saying that if you are talking about it, as if it is a magic experience, that is going to cause you to have a magic, life changing revolution, then you need to take a step back and revaluate your life. Thats all. Yes, you can like voice chat apps. Thats fine. But if you start talking about a voice chat application, in these kinds of terms, then you have a problem. As in you are actually, probably, mentally unwell, if you breakdown into tears, with your vison quest that you have completed, when you discovered a voice chat app. And that legitimately seems like how some people are describing clubhouse. There are actually people out there, where it feels like when they talk about clubhouse, they have discovered their new religion of apps. If that is you, then get help.
  - zepto 6y ago
    This logic seems to be flawed on the face of it. People do in fact have life-changing experiences through social contact. I.e. by having conversations and meeting people of kinds they hadn’t previously experienced. It’s therefore reasonable to expect, just by the numbers, that a novel social platform with millions of users interacting can create or facilitate such experiences for some people.
    - stale2002 6y ago
      > This logic seems to be flawed on the face of it. It is really not. If your reaction to finding out about clubhouse, is to breakdown crying, about the new voice chat app that you have found, then you almost certainly have mental issues that you should try to resolve. > by having conversations and meeting people Thats great. But if your reaction to this, is to talk about this like it is a new religion that you have joined, then you almost certainly have legitimate issues in your life, that you should seek professional help for. Its a voice chat app. That is fine to like it. But having a coming to jesus moment, means that you are almost certainly mentally ill, and need help. > just by the numbers Yes, I am sure that just by the numbers, that there have been multiple people who will talk about the new voice chat app, like it is the greatest thing to ever come into their life, and they will break down crying while talking about it, as if it their new cult/religion that they have joined. But that is the problem. Those people need professional help.
      - zepto 6y ago
        I’m not sure where you are getting the impression that people are having religious experiences on clubhouse. Care to share your sources for that? As for crying as a result of positive social contact, why do you think that is abnormal? People cry on FaceTime or Zoom calls, or the phone as a normal part of social interaction what makes you think they wouldn’t cry sometimes through interactions on clubhouse? Are you a mental health profession? I’d be curious to know what diagnostic criteria or research models you are using to determine that people should seek help.
  - putnambr 6y ago

zepto 6y ago

That’s like saying Twitter and Facebook are just text messaging apps. They have changed society. Something can be both simple and revolutionary.

monoideism 6y ago
> They have changed society. I think most of us would agree that they've changed society for the worse. It pains me as a starry-eyed techie kid from the 90s that this is what we've done. Life was so much better before social media. But yes, they've dramatically changed society.
- zepto 6y ago
  > I think most of us would agree that they've changed society for the worse. I agree with this but I didn’t want to presume it, since there are positives too.
stale2002 6y ago
I am just saying that if you are talking about it, as if it is a magic experience, that is going to cause you to have a magic, life changing revolution, then you need to take a step back and revaluate your life. Thats all. Yes, you can like voice chat apps. Thats fine. But if you start talking about a voice chat application, in these kinds of terms, then you have a problem. As in you are actually, probably, mentally unwell, if you breakdown into tears, with your vison quest that you have completed, when you discovered a voice chat app. And that legitimately seems like how some people are describing clubhouse. There are actually people out there, where it feels like when they talk about clubhouse, they have discovered their new religion of apps. If that is you, then get help.
- zepto 6y ago
  This logic seems to be flawed on the face of it. People do in fact have life-changing experiences through social contact. I.e. by having conversations and meeting people of kinds they hadn’t previously experienced. It’s therefore reasonable to expect, just by the numbers, that a novel social platform with millions of users interacting can create or facilitate such experiences for some people.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > This logic seems to be flawed on the face of it. It is really not. If your reaction to finding out about clubhouse, is to breakdown crying, about the new voice chat app that you have found, then you almost certainly have mental issues that you should try to resolve. > by having conversations and meeting people Thats great. But if your reaction to this, is to talk about this like it is a new religion that you have joined, then you almost certainly have legitimate issues in your life, that you should seek professional help for. Its a voice chat app. That is fine to like it. But having a coming to jesus moment, means that you are almost certainly mentally ill, and need help. > just by the numbers Yes, I am sure that just by the numbers, that there have been multiple people who will talk about the new voice chat app, like it is the greatest thing to ever come into their life, and they will break down crying while talking about it, as if it their new cult/religion that they have joined. But that is the problem. Those people need professional help.
    - zepto 6y ago
      I’m not sure where you are getting the impression that people are having religious experiences on clubhouse. Care to share your sources for that? As for crying as a result of positive social contact, why do you think that is abnormal? People cry on FaceTime or Zoom calls, or the phone as a normal part of social interaction what makes you think they wouldn’t cry sometimes through interactions on clubhouse? Are you a mental health profession? I’d be curious to know what diagnostic criteria or research models you are using to determine that people should seek help.
- putnambr 6y ago