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> I prefer ClubHouse now The problem is not that you prefer clubhouse. Instead, it is that you have ascribed some magical property to it, and are treating it

by stale2002 6y ago

> I prefer ClubHouse now The problem is not that you prefer clubhouse. Instead, it is that you have ascribed some magical property to it, and are treating it like it is some revolution. That is great that you have found something that you prefer. But there is no need to talk in such grandious terms, when talking about a voice chat app.

monoideism 6y ago
> talking about a simple voice chat app Says someone who has never tried running a voice chat app at scale. It's not a flying car or a spaceship, but it's technically difficult.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > but it's technically difficult I never said it wasn't technically difficult to do something like that at scale. Although, from what I have heard, they actually have outsourced most of the technical parts of the app, to some other company also. The point though, is that you should not pretend like this is some revolutionary new thing, that is going to change all of society. Thats all. Its a voice chat app. No need to ascribe anything magic to it. > It's not a flying car or a spaceship Ok great, so you agree with me that the person I was responding too was being kinda silly, by describing a voice chat app, in magic, grandiose terms.
  - zepto 6y ago
    That’s like saying Twitter and Facebook are just text messaging apps. They have changed society. Something can be both simple and revolutionary.
    - monoideism 6y ago
      > They have changed society. I think most of us would agree that they've changed society for the worse. It pains me as a starry-eyed techie kid from the 90s that this is what we've done. Life was so much better before social media. But yes, they've dramatically changed society.
      - zepto 6y ago
        > I think most of us would agree that they've changed society for the worse. I agree with this but I didn’t want to presume it, since there are positives too.
    - stale2002 6y ago
      I am just saying that if you are talking about it, as if it is a magic experience, that is going to cause you to have a magic, life changing revolution, then you need to take a step back and revaluate your life. Thats all. Yes, you can like voice chat apps. Thats fine. But if you start talking about a voice chat application, in these kinds of terms, then you have a problem. As in you are actually, probably, mentally unwell, if you breakdown into tears, with your vison quest that you have completed, when you discovered a voice chat app. And that legitimately seems like how some people are describing clubhouse. There are actually people out there, where it feels like when they talk about clubhouse, they have discovered their new religion of apps. If that is you, then get help.
      - zepto 6y ago
        This logic seems to be flawed on the face of it. People do in fact have life-changing experiences through social contact. I.e. by having conversations and meeting people of kinds they hadn’t previously experienced. It’s therefore reasonable to expect, just by the numbers, that a novel social platform with millions of users interacting can create or facilitate such experiences for some people.
        stale2002 6y ago
        > This logic seems to be flawed on the face of it. It is really not. If your reaction to finding out about clubhouse, is to breakdown crying, about the new voice chat app that you have found, then you almost certainly have mental issues that you should try to resolve. > by having conversations and meeting people Thats great. But if your reaction to this, is to talk about this like it is a new religion that you have joined, then you almost certainly have legitimate issues in your life, that you should seek professional help for. Its a voice chat app. That is fine to like it. But having a coming to jesus moment, means that you are almost certainly mentally ill, and need help. > just by the numbers Yes, I am sure that just by the numbers, that there have been multiple people who will talk about the new voice chat app, like it is the greatest thing to ever come into their life, and they will break down crying while talking about it, as if it their new cult/religion that they have joined. But that is the problem. Those people need professional help.
darkerside 6y ago
Do you not remember how stupid people thought Twitter was? I don't know how old you are, so you seriously may not.
- pram 6y ago
  Were they really wrong though?
  - darkerside 6y ago
    Twitter is perhaps the biggest change in how people communicate in the 21st century so far. I would say that was a laughable underestimation. Would you like to expand on your point?
    - Apocryphon 6y ago
      A drastic dramatic change needn’t mean that it’s not a stupid change.
      - stevofolife 6y ago
        Change for the better. Definitely not stupid.
        Apocryphon 6y ago
        I humbly beg to differ.
      - darkerside 6y ago
        I don't make judgements on whether a global phenomenon is "stupid" or not, because frankly I think doing so is stupid itself. If everybody goes in a stupid direction, you can pretend it doesn't matter, but you'll be wrong. Just because it isn't important and profound to you personally doesn't mean it's stupid. Whatever you mean by that word anyway.
Spivak 6y ago
Social networks do have magical properties to them but there's no playbook for how to create magic. They're in some ways no different than the magic people find in IRL communities. You can't force it. The early years of Reddit was an online experience that was really different than anything else out there at the time. Really high signal to noise, easily being able to find other people with people who shared your niche interests. Tumblr has that magic too and somehow managed to keep it but is focused on a demographic that is damn near the compliment to Reddit. Facebook and Twitter had and lost their magic. Among young and young-ish people TikTok currently has it, time will tell I suppose if it stays. I'm not a Clubhouse user but I wouldn't at all be surprised if it had it based on how people talk about it.

monoideism 6y ago

> talking about a simple voice chat app Says someone who has never tried running a voice chat app at scale. It's not a flying car or a spaceship, but it's technically difficult.

stale2002 6y ago
> but it's technically difficult I never said it wasn't technically difficult to do something like that at scale. Although, from what I have heard, they actually have outsourced most of the technical parts of the app, to some other company also. The point though, is that you should not pretend like this is some revolutionary new thing, that is going to change all of society. Thats all. Its a voice chat app. No need to ascribe anything magic to it. > It's not a flying car or a spaceship Ok great, so you agree with me that the person I was responding too was being kinda silly, by describing a voice chat app, in magic, grandiose terms.
- zepto 6y ago
  That’s like saying Twitter and Facebook are just text messaging apps. They have changed society. Something can be both simple and revolutionary.
  - monoideism 6y ago
    > They have changed society. I think most of us would agree that they've changed society for the worse. It pains me as a starry-eyed techie kid from the 90s that this is what we've done. Life was so much better before social media. But yes, they've dramatically changed society.
    - zepto 6y ago
      > I think most of us would agree that they've changed society for the worse. I agree with this but I didn’t want to presume it, since there are positives too.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    I am just saying that if you are talking about it, as if it is a magic experience, that is going to cause you to have a magic, life changing revolution, then you need to take a step back and revaluate your life. Thats all. Yes, you can like voice chat apps. Thats fine. But if you start talking about a voice chat application, in these kinds of terms, then you have a problem. As in you are actually, probably, mentally unwell, if you breakdown into tears, with your vison quest that you have completed, when you discovered a voice chat app. And that legitimately seems like how some people are describing clubhouse. There are actually people out there, where it feels like when they talk about clubhouse, they have discovered their new religion of apps. If that is you, then get help.
    - zepto 6y ago
      This logic seems to be flawed on the face of it. People do in fact have life-changing experiences through social contact. I.e. by having conversations and meeting people of kinds they hadn’t previously experienced. It’s therefore reasonable to expect, just by the numbers, that a novel social platform with millions of users interacting can create or facilitate such experiences for some people.
      - stale2002 6y ago
        > This logic seems to be flawed on the face of it. It is really not. If your reaction to finding out about clubhouse, is to breakdown crying, about the new voice chat app that you have found, then you almost certainly have mental issues that you should try to resolve. > by having conversations and meeting people Thats great. But if your reaction to this, is to talk about this like it is a new religion that you have joined, then you almost certainly have legitimate issues in your life, that you should seek professional help for. Its a voice chat app. That is fine to like it. But having a coming to jesus moment, means that you are almost certainly mentally ill, and need help. > just by the numbers Yes, I am sure that just by the numbers, that there have been multiple people who will talk about the new voice chat app, like it is the greatest thing to ever come into their life, and they will break down crying while talking about it, as if it their new cult/religion that they have joined. But that is the problem. Those people need professional help.

darkerside 6y ago

Do you not remember how stupid people thought Twitter was? I don't know how old you are, so you seriously may not.

pram 6y ago
Were they really wrong though?
- darkerside 6y ago
  Twitter is perhaps the biggest change in how people communicate in the 21st century so far. I would say that was a laughable underestimation. Would you like to expand on your point?
  - Apocryphon 6y ago
    A drastic dramatic change needn’t mean that it’s not a stupid change.
    - stevofolife 6y ago
      Change for the better. Definitely not stupid.
      - Apocryphon 6y ago
        I humbly beg to differ.
    - darkerside 6y ago
      I don't make judgements on whether a global phenomenon is "stupid" or not, because frankly I think doing so is stupid itself. If everybody goes in a stupid direction, you can pretend it doesn't matter, but you'll be wrong. Just because it isn't important and profound to you personally doesn't mean it's stupid. Whatever you mean by that word anyway.

Spivak 6y ago

Social networks do have magical properties to them but there's no playbook for how to create magic. They're in some ways no different than the magic people find in IRL communities. You can't force it. The early years of Reddit was an online experience that was really different than anything else out there at the time. Really high signal to noise, easily being able to find other people with people who shared your niche interests. Tumblr has that magic too and somehow managed to keep it but is focused on a demographic that is damn near the compliment to Reddit. Facebook and Twitter had and lost their magic. Among young and young-ish people TikTok currently has it, time will tell I suppose if it stays. I'm not a Clubhouse user but I wouldn't at all be surprised if it had it based on how people talk about it.