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I promised myself that I'd stop wasting time getting into internet arguments. And to be honest, I don't even like Clubhouse. But this article is full of so many

I promised myself that I'd stop wasting time getting into internet arguments. And to be honest, I don't even like Clubhouse. But this article is full of so many bad-faith arguments that I just can't. Here are a few examples: > It is clear that Clubhouse was not designed with privacy in mind. The app, which initially launched without a privacy policy, To support this claim, the author links to a Twitter thread [1] where someone first says there is no privacy policy, then someone else provides a link to it, then the first person shows a video that appears to show a broken Privacy link on the Clubhouse website -- a web site that nobody visits because Clubhouse is an app. As far as I know, the in-app link to the privacy policy and the link on the App Store have always worked -- this is one of the things that Apple consistently checks before approving an app. So somehow, having a broken link becomes they "launched without a privacy policy". You might say, well, maybe the author didn't read the Twitter thread carefully. But who was the person on Twitter who pointed out that Clubhouse does, in fact, have a Privacy Policy? It was Elizabeth Renieris -- the same Elizabeth Renieris who wrote the article! In other words, she's completely aware that her claim is untrue, yet she makes it anyway. > Instead, Clubhouse is yet another example of technology designed by, and largely for, privileged, white, Western and able-bodied men. First, this ignores the fact only one of the two founders of Clubhouse is white -- the other is a brown immigrant from a non-Western country. I doubt the author is unaware of this, and is simply reclassifying asians as "white" because it supports her narrative. Secondly, attempting to paint the founders as ablist because they don't yet support captioning is both heartbreaking and absurd. One founder has a daughter who was born with a genetic defect that causes severe disabilities, and he has put a tremendous amount of effort raising awareness and fundraising for this [2]. He's literally the last person you'd accuse of holding a prejudice against the disabled. Finally, at least in my experience, Clubhouse seems to have created a community where minorities and women are welcomed and play a prominent role in leading and moderating discussions. The claim that Clubhouse is designed largely for white men seems... completely unsupported. [1] https://twitter.com/wbm312/status/1360044616217628677 https://twitter.com/wbm312/status/1360044616217628677 [2] https://www.lydianaccelerator.org/ https://www.lydianaccelerator.org/

solipsism 6y ago
attempting to paint the founders as ablist because they don't yet support captioning is both heartbreaking and absurd. One founder has a daughter who was born with a genetic defect This isn't a good point. You can have a disabled daughter and still produce an app that excludes large groups of differently abled folks. He's literally the last person you'd accuse of holding a prejudice against the disabled. No, he's not, because that's a naive way of thinking about prejudice. Also, hilariously, you are saying he's even less likely to be prejudiced than people who themselves are disabled.
LordAtlas 6y ago
> First, this ignores the fact only one of the two founders of Clubhouse is white -- the other is a brown immigrant from a non-Western country. I doubt the author is unaware of this, and is simply reclassifying asians as "white" because it supports her narrative. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

solipsism 6y ago

attempting to paint the founders as ablist because they don't yet support captioning is both heartbreaking and absurd. One founder has a daughter who was born with a genetic defect This isn't a good point. You can have a disabled daughter and still produce an app that excludes large groups of differently abled folks. He's literally the last person you'd accuse of holding a prejudice against the disabled. No, he's not, because that's a naive way of thinking about prejudice. Also, hilariously, you are saying he's even less likely to be prejudiced than people who themselves are disabled.

LordAtlas 6y ago

> First, this ignores the fact only one of the two founders of Clubhouse is white -- the other is a brown immigrant from a non-Western country. I doubt the author is unaware of this, and is simply reclassifying asians as "white" because it supports her narrative. When all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.