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The failure is is not regulators that have failed to "regulate". It is designers of the tech (browsers, Operating systems) that have failed to come up with sys

by max_ 5y ago

The failure is is not regulators that have failed to "regulate". It is designers of the tech (browsers, Operating systems) that have failed to come up with systems that are difficult for devs to abuse.

Ensorceled 5y ago
How does Firefox stop the "impossible unsubscribe" dark pattern that NYTimes uses?
- max_ 5y ago
  Gmail for instance rolled out a feature for stuff just like this [0]. Firefox also has really great features like containers that keep your web activity isolated from other web applications. [1]. I wish there was more innovation in this space though. [0]: https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.leavemealone.app/how-does-the-gmail-unsubscribe-button-work/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.leavemealone.app/how-does-... [1]: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1201060#answer-1068101 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1201060#answer-1...
  - josephcsible 5y ago
    You're mixing up two completely different meanings of "unsubscribe". Gmail's unsubscribe feature is to stop you from getting emails from a mailing list. It's powerless against recurring payments.
    - max_ 5y ago
      OP didn't specify. As for payments, your card provider should be able to show you what services are deducting money from your account. And it should also give you a way to "pause" or revoke payment subscriptions. It is not "powerless" as NYT doesn't control your bank account.
inetknght 5y ago
It is absolutely a failure of regulators to regulate. It's not only a failure of regulators. Designers of the tech are doing it because it's legal. It's legal because regulators aren't enforcing laws in ways conducive to modern tech.
- max_ 5y ago
  Look at GDPR. Regulators came in but we just ended up with disgusting pop ups and now legal over head for web developers.
  - inetknght 5y ago
    Disgusting pop-ups are a side effect that help to demonstrate the problem. That's not the fault of GDPR. That's the fault of companies that (think they) are outside of the jurisdiction of GDPR.

by max_ 5y ago

Ensorceled 5y ago

How does Firefox stop the "impossible unsubscribe" dark pattern that NYTimes uses?

max_ 5y ago
Gmail for instance rolled out a feature for stuff just like this [0]. Firefox also has really great features like containers that keep your web activity isolated from other web applications. [1]. I wish there was more innovation in this space though. [0]: https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.leavemealone.app/how-does-the-gmail-unsubscribe-button-work/amp/ https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.leavemealone.app/how-does-... [1]: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1201060#answer-1068101 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/questions/1201060#answer-1...
- josephcsible 5y ago
  You're mixing up two completely different meanings of "unsubscribe". Gmail's unsubscribe feature is to stop you from getting emails from a mailing list. It's powerless against recurring payments.
  - max_ 5y ago
    OP didn't specify. As for payments, your card provider should be able to show you what services are deducting money from your account. And it should also give you a way to "pause" or revoke payment subscriptions. It is not "powerless" as NYT doesn't control your bank account.

inetknght 5y ago

It is absolutely a failure of regulators to regulate. It's not only a failure of regulators. Designers of the tech are doing it because it's legal. It's legal because regulators aren't enforcing laws in ways conducive to modern tech.

max_ 5y ago
Look at GDPR. Regulators came in but we just ended up with disgusting pop ups and now legal over head for web developers.
- inetknght 5y ago
  Disgusting pop-ups are a side effect that help to demonstrate the problem. That's not the fault of GDPR. That's the fault of companies that (think they) are outside of the jurisdiction of GDPR.