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Why did you pay the $10k?

Kye 5y ago
I think a lot of people saw it like a very, very, very expensive Kickstarter. They paid $10k to help make it happen. As is often the case with Kickstarters, it didn't match the hype.
- Multiplayer 5y ago
  I don’t think that’s directionally wrong. I bought my first Tesla and all subsequent Tesla’s in part to support the global move to electric vehicles. I buy the FSD to help move us in that direction. I’m actually happy with their progress so far and I recognize they have a loooooong way to go. They are making great progress as is the industry as a whole both in electrics and driving Capabilities.
- jcims 5y ago
  It's not purely speculative. Just hopped on their site to check, these are the features they say you get immediately today: * Navigate on Autopilot * Auto Lane Change * Autopark * Summon * Full Self-Driving Computer * Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control When Cadillac's Super Cruise option is $2,500, $10K is still a huge premium, but it doesn't look like you can get those features independent of the FSD package from Tesla.
  - SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
    That’s a lie. None of these features actually work. It’s all total bullshit, intended to stave off the inevitable FSD lawsuits. They have pulled off one of the most brazen growth hacks ever. As someone who fell for it, I hope some justice is coming eventually, but I’m not holding my breath
    - jcims 5y ago
      Which part is a lie? You can get those features without paying the $10k?
      - SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
        Saying you get these features today is a lie. They’re all utterly unsafe and clearly nowhere near finished.
  - jofaz 5y ago
    I don't know how it compares to Super Cruise but Autopilot is a standard feature now, you don't have to pay anything extra for it.
natch 5y ago
Not op but I’ll give my reply anyway fwiw. $7k (x 2) at the time, reason was to help Tesla survive. Was not expecting anything else for my money in the next few years. Nowadays Tesla’s survival seems more assured, so if I did it today, it would no longer be for that reason. Some people pay for it thinking that it will be much more expensive later. I question this thinking though, because once it’s possible, it will be a table stakes feature we take for granted on every car, which means it shouldn’t add a huge bump to the price. But maybe I’m thinking about it wrong.
- Zhenya 5y ago
  You paid your money to help a company survive? Why not buy the stock instead?
  - moralestapia 5y ago
    Because stocks are owned by third parties, usually.
  - natch 5y ago
    Yes that would have been a better move, in hindsight.
  - xkjkls 5y ago
    How does buying the stock help the company survive?
- CarelessExpert 5y ago
  > $7k (x 2) at the time, reason was to help Tesla survive. Man there is something truly remarkable about Musk that he successfully convinced some people to, in effect, treat Tesla, a for-profit company, as a charity and to donate to them thousands of dollars with no expectation of anything in return. Any other company would just raise money from investors, whether those be institution or from main street via the stock or bond markets. But Tesla just sold folks a dream and they bought it, allowing Tesla to generate cashflow without Musk having to worry about pesky shareholders or dilution or even delivering a working product. I suspect that phenomenon will be studied in business school for years to come.
BooneJS 5y ago
I wanted long freeway rides and driving in stop and go traffic to be less painful. I wanted to be able to watch my $10k in February 2021 turn into something really cool within a year. Honestly, I think I’m safer with auto steer on. I’ve had the car hit the brakes when someone turns across my lane and I felt it was too conservative, but then I started wondering if I was too aggressive. I wanted to watch my Model Y get smarter as OTA updates came in.

Kye 5y ago

I think a lot of people saw it like a very, very, very expensive Kickstarter. They paid $10k to help make it happen. As is often the case with Kickstarters, it didn't match the hype.

Multiplayer 5y ago
I don’t think that’s directionally wrong. I bought my first Tesla and all subsequent Tesla’s in part to support the global move to electric vehicles. I buy the FSD to help move us in that direction. I’m actually happy with their progress so far and I recognize they have a loooooong way to go. They are making great progress as is the industry as a whole both in electrics and driving Capabilities.
jcims 5y ago
It's not purely speculative. Just hopped on their site to check, these are the features they say you get immediately today: * Navigate on Autopilot * Auto Lane Change * Autopark * Summon * Full Self-Driving Computer * Traffic Light and Stop Sign Control When Cadillac's Super Cruise option is $2,500, $10K is still a huge premium, but it doesn't look like you can get those features independent of the FSD package from Tesla.
- SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
  That’s a lie. None of these features actually work. It’s all total bullshit, intended to stave off the inevitable FSD lawsuits. They have pulled off one of the most brazen growth hacks ever. As someone who fell for it, I hope some justice is coming eventually, but I’m not holding my breath
  - jcims 5y ago
    Which part is a lie? You can get those features without paying the $10k?
    - SheinhardtWigCo 5y ago
      Saying you get these features today is a lie. They’re all utterly unsafe and clearly nowhere near finished.
- jofaz 5y ago
  I don't know how it compares to Super Cruise but Autopilot is a standard feature now, you don't have to pay anything extra for it.

natch 5y ago

Not op but I’ll give my reply anyway fwiw. $7k (x 2) at the time, reason was to help Tesla survive. Was not expecting anything else for my money in the next few years. Nowadays Tesla’s survival seems more assured, so if I did it today, it would no longer be for that reason. Some people pay for it thinking that it will be much more expensive later. I question this thinking though, because once it’s possible, it will be a table stakes feature we take for granted on every car, which means it shouldn’t add a huge bump to the price. But maybe I’m thinking about it wrong.

Zhenya 5y ago
You paid your money to help a company survive? Why not buy the stock instead?
- moralestapia 5y ago
  Because stocks are owned by third parties, usually.
- natch 5y ago
  Yes that would have been a better move, in hindsight.
- xkjkls 5y ago
  How does buying the stock help the company survive?
CarelessExpert 5y ago
> $7k (x 2) at the time, reason was to help Tesla survive. Man there is something truly remarkable about Musk that he successfully convinced some people to, in effect, treat Tesla, a for-profit company, as a charity and to donate to them thousands of dollars with no expectation of anything in return. Any other company would just raise money from investors, whether those be institution or from main street via the stock or bond markets. But Tesla just sold folks a dream and they bought it, allowing Tesla to generate cashflow without Musk having to worry about pesky shareholders or dilution or even delivering a working product. I suspect that phenomenon will be studied in business school for years to come.

BooneJS 5y ago

I wanted long freeway rides and driving in stop and go traffic to be less painful. I wanted to be able to watch my $10k in February 2021 turn into something really cool within a year. Honestly, I think I’m safer with auto steer on. I’ve had the car hit the brakes when someone turns across my lane and I felt it was too conservative, but then I started wondering if I was too aggressive. I wanted to watch my Model Y get smarter as OTA updates came in.