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Similar experience with a Miele. Inside it's about 4x more complicated than an American model: far more engineering around sensors and actuators and quality, wh
by imglorp 6y ago
Similar experience with a Miele. Inside it's about 4x more complicated than an American model: far more engineering around sensors and actuators and quality, while the American ones are designed with short lifetime and manufacturing costs as goals. Fortunately it came with a circuit diagram which made it easy to find a bad relay which had a generic replacement. Back in business for more years.
ps. Just remembered, that Miele also had a diagnostic/debug mode to tell you what system was faulting. Try that with your shitty builder's grade Whirlpool.
- Causality1 6y agoIs lasting twice as long really a convenience if the repair costs ten times as much? I've always preferred simpler appliances that are easy to work on.
- imglorp 6y agoIs 10x repair cost right? Parts maybe 2x-5xish? For labor, I think it's the same "appliance repair" network as the others, so whatever that rate is, trip fee plus hourly.
- Causality1 6y agoWell the original poster said his Miele intake valve solenoid was $580 OEM. The one from Whirlpool is $40.
- kevingadd 6y agoIt sounded like it was $580 through unauthorized channels, and an authorized service technician would probably get them at cost. The fact that the GP was able to find and substitute an equivalent part for cheaper means that the $580 had to be including the price of Something Else, and the fact that it was for sale in two different places means it wasn't just Miele.
- Causality1 6y agoWhy would an unauthorized channel exist if it was more expensive than the authorized one? If I want a part for my Maytag dryer I just buy it. What kind of cockamamie scheme are they trying to pull by not selling parts?
- kenned3 6y agoWho even keeps them this long? after a few years they start to get gross inside and not work as well.. time to replace them and get a brand new one...
- Symbiote 6y agoI noticed my 5 year old dishwasher was a bit dirty inside. Rather than throwing it away and buying a new one, I cleaned it with a cloth and some general kitchen cleaning detergent. I then cleaned it with the recommended cleaning chemical and cleaning cycle. It seems as good as new, to me.
- sokoloff 6y agoIt would never occur to me to discard a working dishwasher at 15 years, let alone “after a few years”. I clean the filter about every other month and that’s largely it. They sell a dishwasher cleaner that you run though a cycle. I’ve bought one but haven’t seen the need to use it yet. Stainless interior looks brand new to me at around 7 years of use.
- michaelmrose 6y agoYou can clean them. It's part of expected maintenance like changing your car's oil. This is basically true of all appliances. This is approximately saying who even keeps pants for a 2 years after I wear them a few times they are all dirty.
- kjs3 6y ago
- kirse 6y agoThe thing is, all of it is garbage compared to appliances from 20 yrs ago before mfgr's started designing everything to planned obsolescence and IoT. American GE at least has an extensive parts network in country, while if your LG/Samsung breaks at this point you are basically SOL. On top of that the COVID-19 supply shock issues have exacerbated this situation.
- reaperducer 6y agoAmerican GE at least has an extensive parts network in country Maytag, too. I had no problem finding Maytag parts recently.
- imglorp 6y agoThe US brands have that. There's several good third party sites that have parts for most of this junk. I've saved a number of appliances with a $5 part. appliancepartspros.com comes to mind.
- dzhiurgis 6y agoI wouldn't mind IoT that electronically diagnoses and finds the part I need to replace. Maybe notification when was is done, but thats minor. In a small house can hear beep anyway.
- crooked-v 6y ago> all of it is garbage compared to appliances from 20 yrs ago There were garbage appliances 20 years ago, too... you just don't see them around anymore because they already broke down long ago.
- m463 6y agoIoT is the worst. It's only convenient if you turn over your email address, all your device ids, your SSN, and your 1040 AGI. Otherwise you'll need to dismiss 20 nag popups before you can do anything.
- Breza 6y ago
- kenned3 6y agoi always see this as a form of stockholm syndrome. My excesivly expensive and needlessly complex appliance is better then your cheaper and more common model becaues of a bunch of features no one cares about? Can anyone access the Miele diagnostic board, or does it need some special Miele only tech to buy and use? Does the average consumer care that it has this function, espeiclaly when it is also so much more expensive to repair? You can get a new base-model dishwasher for what the OP priced the replacement part at?? calling another brand "shitty" is just bad, no one said your clearly superior miele is shit, but you did to another brand for no reason? I view dishwashers as disposable, after 4-5 years i throw them out and get a new one....
- imglorp 6y ago> Can anyone access the Miele diagnostic board Yes, it codes on the washer's display. There's a few secret key presses to show errors and reset things if you can use a search engine, eg https://removeandreplace.com/2016/06/30/miele-dishwasher-error-codes-display-light-indicator-codes-how-to-reset/ https://removeandreplace.com/2016/06/30/miele-dishwasher-err...
- jjeaff 6y agoAny "shitty" builders grade whirlpool will have a full schematic and repair manual with it. In fact, most have a place inside the bottom front panel where this manual is attached. They also have diagnostic modes and test cycles. Though not that easy to use. Perhaps the miele is more user friendly when it comes to repairs.
- craftinator 6y agoNot in the last two I've bought here in the States...
- jjeaff 6y agoIf the manual isn't included you can find it online. Usually just search model number and PDF and you will find it.