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If you're going to use that kind of argument, re: global/network effects of a government as complicit in negative outcomes of actions in other countries... the

by n9 5y ago

If you're going to use that kind of argument, re: global/network effects of a government as complicit in negative outcomes of actions in other countries... the USA is by far the worst offender. It could be argued that the questiobnable actions Cuba has taken are justified in the context of trying to deal with an insidious and pervasive foreign influence over most of the globe: the US. My question is what he USSR and Cuba would have ended up looking like without the insanely disruptive actions by the US. The USSR would have likely been an entirely different society if they were not compelled to spend such an enormous amount of their GDP on weapons and defense and Cuba would likewise have developed quite differently without dealing with the embargo.

totalZero 5y ago
I don't think that's a good-faith characterization of my prior comment. Please read carefully. I'm not suggesting network effects. I'm talking about direct activity. There is boundless information about this available online, but this is a start regarding the Venezuela link: https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2019/10/18/bolivarian-brotherhood-the-roots-of-the-cuba-venezuela-relationship-and-its-future-trajectory/ https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2019/10/18/boliv... Separately, you can also read about the Cuban antecedents to Che's fatal incursion into Bolivia, and his team's lack of regard for the linguistic differences across regions in that country. There are seven decades worth of Cuban involvement in anti-American activity all over Latin America. I invite you to read about it from time to time when you are bored and curious. Whether you support one side, the other, or neither, it's obvious that Cuba's "transgressions" are not a single-element list. That's what the parent comment says and it's 100% false. I find it unreasonable that you suggest the USSR's massive stockpiling of weapons was not due to their own actions and strategy, but somehow the US's fault. How can you be circumspect when you suggest that two can tango but only one does the dancing?
- thiagoharry 5y ago
  Cuba also contributed to lots of anti-american activities in Africa, where along with the URSS supported the struggle against apartheid and colonialism. All these things can be seen as "transgressions" and reasons for retaliations. But if acting directly in foreign countries is not right, then I think that Cuba is not exactly the worst offender. > I find it unreasonable that you suggest the USSR's massive stockpiling of weapons was not due to their own actions and strategy, but somehow the US's fault. How can you be circumspect when you suggest that two can tango but only one does the dancing? Well, there were socialist countries and experiments that were more democratic and did not enter in an arms race. They were wiped out. Russian Revolution was after the massacre in the Paris Commune, so they knew what to expect and prepared accordingly, even before the cold war. But the USA always reinforced this, presenting plenty of examples of how it deals with socialist sympathies in less powerful countries.

by n9 5y ago

totalZero 5y ago

I don't think that's a good-faith characterization of my prior comment. Please read carefully. I'm not suggesting network effects. I'm talking about direct activity. There is boundless information about this available online, but this is a start regarding the Venezuela link: https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2019/10/18/bolivarian-brotherhood-the-roots-of-the-cuba-venezuela-relationship-and-its-future-trajectory/ https://georgetownsecuritystudiesreview.org/2019/10/18/boliv... Separately, you can also read about the Cuban antecedents to Che's fatal incursion into Bolivia, and his team's lack of regard for the linguistic differences across regions in that country. There are seven decades worth of Cuban involvement in anti-American activity all over Latin America. I invite you to read about it from time to time when you are bored and curious. Whether you support one side, the other, or neither, it's obvious that Cuba's "transgressions" are not a single-element list. That's what the parent comment says and it's 100% false. I find it unreasonable that you suggest the USSR's massive stockpiling of weapons was not due to their own actions and strategy, but somehow the US's fault. How can you be circumspect when you suggest that two can tango but only one does the dancing?

thiagoharry 5y ago
Cuba also contributed to lots of anti-american activities in Africa, where along with the URSS supported the struggle against apartheid and colonialism. All these things can be seen as "transgressions" and reasons for retaliations. But if acting directly in foreign countries is not right, then I think that Cuba is not exactly the worst offender. > I find it unreasonable that you suggest the USSR's massive stockpiling of weapons was not due to their own actions and strategy, but somehow the US's fault. How can you be circumspect when you suggest that two can tango but only one does the dancing? Well, there were socialist countries and experiments that were more democratic and did not enter in an arms race. They were wiped out. Russian Revolution was after the massacre in the Paris Commune, so they knew what to expect and prepared accordingly, even before the cold war. But the USA always reinforced this, presenting plenty of examples of how it deals with socialist sympathies in less powerful countries.