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They want more immigrants, and yet they support Republicans which massively slashed legal immigration the last time they controlled the government?

dominotw 5y ago
The type of jobs GP is referring to are dependent on illegal immigrants which was not reduced under last admin.
- skystarman 5y ago
  I'm not sure how that refutes my point that there are millions of people south of the border willing to work these backbreaking jobs for low pay if only our government could come up with some sensible immigration bill. That these same people also exploit undocumented people is a separate issue. Give them papers and you'll have no problem finding jobs!
  - dominotw 5y ago
    > I'm not sure how that refutes my point I am refuting your point that people complaining about labor shortages shouldn't be voting republican. Which doesn't make sense because these ppl want 1. low regulation, taxes and lax labor laws. 2. availability of immigrants. GOP provides both of these. Why would they care if ppl working for them are illegal or on h2 visa. > Give them papers and you'll have no problem finding jobs! Trump admin increased h2 visas despite what you are claiming. We had the highest number of h2 visas allocated under Trump and Bush and lowest under Obama admin. Obama slashed these visas by half from bush era. Most of the resistance to seasonal visas comes from democrat voting unions who lobby against these visas. They lobbied obama govt to slash those visas under the guise of protecting their local union memebers. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/biden-agencies-pact-boosts-seasonal-visas-in-blow-to-unions https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/biden-agenc... Check these numbers for yourself here https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/FY08-AR-TableXVI(B).pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/FY08-A... https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2013AnnualReport/FY13AnnualReport-TableXVIB.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Annual... https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2018AnnualReport/FY18AnnualReport%20-%20TableXVIB.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Annual...
    - skystarman 5y ago
      Trump increased h2 and then banned them after Covid so he could demagogue about brown people spreading disease. Seems an important fact that's left out here! https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/president-trump-extends-ban-on-h-1b-h-2287811/ https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/president-trump-extends-ba... But yes your larger point that Republicans are fine with migrants they can exploit for a few years as long as they can make sure they "go back to their country" is well taken!
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  - throwawayboise 5y ago
    Relatively few people object to sensible immigration policies. What they object to is undocumented hoards of people flooding across the borders.
    - skystarman 5y ago
      Literally no Democrat in leadership has ever proposed "undocumented hordes of people flooding across the borders". And like maybe 3-4 of hundreds of elected democrats have ever proposed anything close to "open borders" This is what people whose brains have been melted by MAGA twitter and Fox News believe the "other side" wants.
splitstud 5y ago
You are confused by the fact that both parties SAY one thing about immigration and DO another.
- skystarman 5y ago
  This "both sides" nonsense is complete fiction. There was a BIPARTISAN senate immigration reform bill that passed the senate in 2013. THIRTEEN Republicans voted for it and every Democrat and independent did. It went to the house and died there because the Republican majority leader Boehner knew it would pass and refused to let it be voted on. He was beholden to the most xenophobic, bigoted Republicans in his caucus and thought they would vote him out of leadership if he let it pass. He ended up losing his job anyways shortly thereafter for other reasons. Now the entire Republican party is beholden to the xenophobic bigots and I guarantee you the exact same bill wouldn't find more than 2 votes from a Republican in the senate. So no, there is no "both sides" here. Democrats have been remarkably consistent about what an immigration compromise looks like, and even were able to pass it in the senate 7-8 years ago, only to be blown up by the Tea Party ur-Trumpists. The GOP has only moved further to the right and will never support anything close to that.

dominotw 5y ago

The type of jobs GP is referring to are dependent on illegal immigrants which was not reduced under last admin.

skystarman 5y ago
I'm not sure how that refutes my point that there are millions of people south of the border willing to work these backbreaking jobs for low pay if only our government could come up with some sensible immigration bill. That these same people also exploit undocumented people is a separate issue. Give them papers and you'll have no problem finding jobs!
- dominotw 5y ago
  > I'm not sure how that refutes my point I am refuting your point that people complaining about labor shortages shouldn't be voting republican. Which doesn't make sense because these ppl want 1. low regulation, taxes and lax labor laws. 2. availability of immigrants. GOP provides both of these. Why would they care if ppl working for them are illegal or on h2 visa. > Give them papers and you'll have no problem finding jobs! Trump admin increased h2 visas despite what you are claiming. We had the highest number of h2 visas allocated under Trump and Bush and lowest under Obama admin. Obama slashed these visas by half from bush era. Most of the resistance to seasonal visas comes from democrat voting unions who lobby against these visas. They lobbied obama govt to slash those visas under the guise of protecting their local union memebers. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/biden-agencies-pact-boosts-seasonal-visas-in-blow-to-unions https://news.bloomberglaw.com/daily-labor-report/biden-agenc... Check these numbers for yourself here https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/FY08-AR-TableXVI(B).pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/FY08-A... https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2013AnnualReport/FY13AnnualReport-TableXVIB.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Annual... https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/AnnualReports/FY2018AnnualReport/FY18AnnualReport%20-%20TableXVIB.pdf https://travel.state.gov/content/dam/visas/Statistics/Annual...
  - skystarman 5y ago
    Trump increased h2 and then banned them after Covid so he could demagogue about brown people spreading disease. Seems an important fact that's left out here! https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/president-trump-extends-ban-on-h-1b-h-2287811/ https://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/president-trump-extends-ba... But yes your larger point that Republicans are fine with migrants they can exploit for a few years as long as they can make sure they "go back to their country" is well taken!
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- throwawayboise 5y ago
  Relatively few people object to sensible immigration policies. What they object to is undocumented hoards of people flooding across the borders.
  - skystarman 5y ago
    Literally no Democrat in leadership has ever proposed "undocumented hordes of people flooding across the borders". And like maybe 3-4 of hundreds of elected democrats have ever proposed anything close to "open borders" This is what people whose brains have been melted by MAGA twitter and Fox News believe the "other side" wants.

splitstud 5y ago

You are confused by the fact that both parties SAY one thing about immigration and DO another.

skystarman 5y ago
This "both sides" nonsense is complete fiction. There was a BIPARTISAN senate immigration reform bill that passed the senate in 2013. THIRTEEN Republicans voted for it and every Democrat and independent did. It went to the house and died there because the Republican majority leader Boehner knew it would pass and refused to let it be voted on. He was beholden to the most xenophobic, bigoted Republicans in his caucus and thought they would vote him out of leadership if he let it pass. He ended up losing his job anyways shortly thereafter for other reasons. Now the entire Republican party is beholden to the xenophobic bigots and I guarantee you the exact same bill wouldn't find more than 2 votes from a Republican in the senate. So no, there is no "both sides" here. Democrats have been remarkably consistent about what an immigration compromise looks like, and even were able to pass it in the senate 7-8 years ago, only to be blown up by the Tea Party ur-Trumpists. The GOP has only moved further to the right and will never support anything close to that.