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This has been the clever guy hot take for a few days now. Yet millions of people are walking around vaccinated without damage, so....

ronri19 5y ago
We also have 150+ million people around the world who've had the virus walking around without damage. The point is how should we change our recommendations? Are older people or others with certain medical conditions more susceptible to damage? I don't see how shrugging off this new information is reasonable or scientific.
- podgaj 5y ago
  Start by telling people to take more zinc.
  - podgaj 5y ago
    People downvoting nutrition…I don’t get it…or maybe I do. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405457721001431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240545772... Vitamin D levels had a significant difference between the case and control groups (p = 0.008). Serum calcium and serum zinc levels also had statistically significant differences between the two groups (p < 0.001).
tediousdemise 5y ago
Or walking around damaged, and they don’t know it yet. Didn’t it take us thousands of years to realize lead was poisonous?
- shadowgovt 5y ago
  It didn't. Western medicine new lead was poisonous dating back at least to the second century BCE. What changed was the belief that only acute lead exposure could cause poisoning... We came to understand the mechanisms by which chronic exposure causes buildup and poisoning over a long term.
  - briefcomment 5y ago
    This makes the analogy even more appropriate. We know the spike protein is harmful in some amount, but we think a small enough amount produced forever should be safe. Maybe we'll learn otherwise.
    - rrss 5y ago
      > small enough amount produced forever should be safe does 'forever' modify 'produced' or 'should be safe'? if the former, what produces a small amount of the spike protein forever (continuing, not just a small amount one time)?
    - yborg 5y ago
      Why do you think it is produced forever? The mRNA quickly degrades in the body and the injected cells will stop producing the spike protein. That's why there has to be a second injection.
      - rzz3 5y ago
        Is there a source? 100% believe you, but due to the conflicting posts I’d love to read the source (and I don’t know what to Google). Thanks!
        Kubuxu 5y ago
        (m)RNA is inherently unstable in our body: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation
platz 5y ago
It's a question hacker mindset would ask. What follows from first principles given the headline; it's not an unreasonable question, even if there is no empirical evidence the vaccines are unsafe

ronri19 5y ago

We also have 150+ million people around the world who've had the virus walking around without damage. The point is how should we change our recommendations? Are older people or others with certain medical conditions more susceptible to damage? I don't see how shrugging off this new information is reasonable or scientific.

podgaj 5y ago
Start by telling people to take more zinc.
- podgaj 5y ago
  People downvoting nutrition…I don’t get it…or maybe I do. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2405457721001431 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S240545772... Vitamin D levels had a significant difference between the case and control groups (p = 0.008). Serum calcium and serum zinc levels also had statistically significant differences between the two groups (p < 0.001).

tediousdemise 5y ago

Or walking around damaged, and they don’t know it yet. Didn’t it take us thousands of years to realize lead was poisonous?

shadowgovt 5y ago
It didn't. Western medicine new lead was poisonous dating back at least to the second century BCE. What changed was the belief that only acute lead exposure could cause poisoning... We came to understand the mechanisms by which chronic exposure causes buildup and poisoning over a long term.
- briefcomment 5y ago
  This makes the analogy even more appropriate. We know the spike protein is harmful in some amount, but we think a small enough amount produced forever should be safe. Maybe we'll learn otherwise.
  - rrss 5y ago
    > small enough amount produced forever should be safe does 'forever' modify 'produced' or 'should be safe'? if the former, what produces a small amount of the spike protein forever (continuing, not just a small amount one time)?
  - yborg 5y ago
    Why do you think it is produced forever? The mRNA quickly degrades in the body and the injected cells will stop producing the spike protein. That's why there has to be a second injection.
    - rzz3 5y ago
      Is there a source? 100% believe you, but due to the conflicting posts I’d love to read the source (and I don’t know what to Google). Thanks!
      - Kubuxu 5y ago
        (m)RNA is inherently unstable in our body: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Messenger_RNA#Degradation

platz 5y ago

It's a question hacker mindset would ask. What follows from first principles given the headline; it's not an unreasonable question, even if there is no empirical evidence the vaccines are unsafe