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I’ll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as pr

I’ll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as practically possible and let people extend it if and how they want[1] to. Saves a little bit of material, makes manufacturing a little less complicated, and makes the accessory ecosystem a whole lot more appealing. 1. I don’t carry a keychain, for example, but I’ll slip one in each of my bags.

elliekelly 5y ago
> I’ll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as possible and let people extend it if they want Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again.
- fencepost 5y ago
  Is the 2020 SE still too large? Because I'm pretty sure they're not going smaller than that unless it's for radically cheaper devices targeted at the third world and I don't see that happening.
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
  > Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again. I've been using the iPhone12 Mini for months. It works great, one-handed. I have heard that it has not sold well, and may be discontinued. That would make me sad.
  - dijit 5y ago
    I upgraded from an iPhone SE (5 body) to an iPhone 12 mini. Here’s the thing: the 12 mini has the same dimensions as the iPhone 6 that I deemed too big originally. I picked up my old phone the other day and holy shit did it feel nice in comparison. If you were holding out for an iPhone 5 sized phone then this wasn’t it; no wonder it didn’t sell so good in that demographic. I only bought it because I wanted to support smaller phones- but realistically it’s not small enough. EDIT: I think I’m wrong but it’s closer to the 6 than the 5: 5: H 123.8mm (4.87 inches) W 58.6mm (2.31 inches) D 7.6mm (0.3 inches) 6: H 138.1 mm (5.44 in) W 67.0 mm (2.64 in) D 6.9 mm (0.27 in) (inc. lens, 7.5 mm, 0.30 in) 12 Mini: H 131.5 (5.18 in) W 64.2 (2.53 in) D 7.4 mm (0.29 in)
    - ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
      No, you're right. The screen makes it a LOT bigger than the iPhone SE (what I had used, previously). But it's just at the upper limit at what I can do one-handed. I traded in an XS Max for it. I don't miss that big honker, one bit. I use it as a test device, nowadays.
      - teekert 5y ago
        To easily do everything with one hand, swipe down from the bottom (as if unlocking but down), then you pull the upper part of the screen down. Works everywhere. (I also have the 12 mini btw, really like it)
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- jrobn 5y ago
  The iPhone 12 Mini is great. I will never go back to a bigger phone again. The lack of all day battery life is a feature in my opinion. I use it more like a fancy tool.
  - teekert 5y ago
    “Lack of all day battery” depends on how you use it. I have 2 day battery (about 2-3 hr screen time/day). Since I got a second sim it decreased somewhat though, negated again to a agree by setting WLAN call.
- shp0ngle 5y ago
  iPhone mini exists. It has lackluster sales though so I think Apple will kill it in the next iteration.
- fastball 5y ago
  Which iPhone do you have that is much smaller than the 12 Mini?
  - elliekelly 5y ago
    I have the 8 (I think? whichever one was the last to have the home button) and it’s only slighty bigger than the 12 Mini in size but it’s actually the screen on the newer phones that are too big. There isn’t a way to comfortably hold it and reach all of the real estate one-handed. I know I can do the stupid scoot the screen down thing but if you’ve ever tried to use that on a regular basis you’d see how worthless and frustrating it is. It’s a waste of time and sometimes it hides part of the screen that I need to see! Honestly, if Apple would just let me set a top bar as like a clock or something across the whole iOS and shrink the functional display to the size of the iPhone 4 I’d be a happy camper. It would be ugly as anything but I don’t even care because it would, ironically, be far more functional to me if I could just set the top quarter inch of the screen to be completely non-functional.
steve_adams_86 5y ago
This was my thought as well. I’d probably never put these in a loop - I’ll place one in my bag, on my measuring tape (ha), and my wife will probably use one too... Most likely without attaching it to anything, just sticking it in a pocket or whatever. It’s fine for all of our use cases.

elliekelly 5y ago

> I’ll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as possible and let people extend it if they want Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again.

fencepost 5y ago
Is the 2020 SE still too large? Because I'm pretty sure they're not going smaller than that unless it's for radically cheaper devices targeted at the third world and I don't see that happening.
ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
> Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again. I've been using the iPhone12 Mini for months. It works great, one-handed. I have heard that it has not sold well, and may be discontinued. That would make me sad.
- dijit 5y ago
  I upgraded from an iPhone SE (5 body) to an iPhone 12 mini. Here’s the thing: the 12 mini has the same dimensions as the iPhone 6 that I deemed too big originally. I picked up my old phone the other day and holy shit did it feel nice in comparison. If you were holding out for an iPhone 5 sized phone then this wasn’t it; no wonder it didn’t sell so good in that demographic. I only bought it because I wanted to support smaller phones- but realistically it’s not small enough. EDIT: I think I’m wrong but it’s closer to the 6 than the 5: 5: H 123.8mm (4.87 inches) W 58.6mm (2.31 inches) D 7.6mm (0.3 inches) 6: H 138.1 mm (5.44 in) W 67.0 mm (2.64 in) D 6.9 mm (0.27 in) (inc. lens, 7.5 mm, 0.30 in) 12 Mini: H 131.5 (5.18 in) W 64.2 (2.53 in) D 7.4 mm (0.29 in)
  - ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago
    No, you're right. The screen makes it a LOT bigger than the iPhone SE (what I had used, previously). But it's just at the upper limit at what I can do one-handed. I traded in an XS Max for it. I don't miss that big honker, one bit. I use it as a test device, nowadays.
    - teekert 5y ago
      To easily do everything with one hand, swipe down from the bottom (as if unlocking but down), then you pull the upper part of the screen down. Works everywhere. (I also have the 12 mini btw, really like it)
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jrobn 5y ago
The iPhone 12 Mini is great. I will never go back to a bigger phone again. The lack of all day battery life is a feature in my opinion. I use it more like a fancy tool.
- teekert 5y ago
  “Lack of all day battery” depends on how you use it. I have 2 day battery (about 2-3 hr screen time/day). Since I got a second sim it decreased somewhat though, negated again to a agree by setting WLAN call.
shp0ngle 5y ago
iPhone mini exists. It has lackluster sales though so I think Apple will kill it in the next iteration.
fastball 5y ago
Which iPhone do you have that is much smaller than the 12 Mini?
- elliekelly 5y ago
  I have the 8 (I think? whichever one was the last to have the home button) and it’s only slighty bigger than the 12 Mini in size but it’s actually the screen on the newer phones that are too big. There isn’t a way to comfortably hold it and reach all of the real estate one-handed. I know I can do the stupid scoot the screen down thing but if you’ve ever tried to use that on a regular basis you’d see how worthless and frustrating it is. It’s a waste of time and sometimes it hides part of the screen that I need to see! Honestly, if Apple would just let me set a top bar as like a clock or something across the whole iOS and shrink the functional display to the size of the iPhone 4 I’d be a happy camper. It would be ugly as anything but I don’t even care because it would, ironically, be far more functional to me if I could just set the top quarter inch of the screen to be completely non-functional.

steve_adams_86 5y ago

This was my thought as well. I’d probably never put these in a loop - I’ll place one in my bag, on my measuring tape (ha), and my wife will probably use one too... Most likely without attaching it to anything, just sticking it in a pocket or whatever. It’s fine for all of our use cases.