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I wonder what the internal discussion at Apple was about whether or not to include a loophole in the product. The fact that fixit has gone out and shown how yo
by fblp 5y ago
I wonder what the internal discussion at Apple was about whether or not to include a loophole in the product.
The fact that fixit has gone out and shown how you can add a loophole rather than wasting $13 on an accessory is a bit of a facepalm moment.
- hprotagonist 5y ago>add a loophole Now, throw it in a glass of water for an hour. I'd be amazed if it didn't trash the IPx7 rating, which is an AirTags differentiator over Tile.
- justusthane 5y agoThat's a silly argument. There's absolutely no reason that a built-in loophole would have to let water in (unlike iFixit's drilled hole, which might).
- hprotagonist 5y agoi meant that iFixit’s argument that you could be cheeky and drill a hole for a key ring is true, but also would in all likelihood ruin the waterproofing.
- culturestate 5y agoI’ll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as practically possible and let people extend it if and how they want[1] to. Saves a little bit of material, makes manufacturing a little less complicated, and makes the accessory ecosystem a whole lot more appealing. 1. I don’t carry a keychain, for example, but I’ll slip one in each of my bags.
- elliekelly 5y ago> I’ll go out on a limb here and guess that their guiding principle with this was as it is with every other portable device they have now - make it as small as possible and let people extend it if they want Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again.
- fencepost 5y agoIs the 2020 SE still too large? Because I'm pretty sure they're not going smaller than that unless it's for radically cheaper devices targeted at the third world and I don't see that happening.
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y ago> Here I am, desperately clutching my nearly-obsolete iPhone in my small hands, waiting for Apple to return to this principle and make an iPhone that I can comfortably use one-handed again. I've been using the iPhone12 Mini for months. It works great, one-handed. I have heard that it has not sold well, and may be discontinued. That would make me sad.
- dijit 5y agoI upgraded from an iPhone SE (5 body) to an iPhone 12 mini. Here’s the thing: the 12 mini has the same dimensions as the iPhone 6 that I deemed too big originally. I picked up my old phone the other day and holy shit did it feel nice in comparison. If you were holding out for an iPhone 5 sized phone then this wasn’t it; no wonder it didn’t sell so good in that demographic. I only bought it because I wanted to support smaller phones- but realistically it’s not small enough. EDIT: I think I’m wrong but it’s closer to the 6 than the 5: 5: H 123.8mm (4.87 inches) W 58.6mm (2.31 inches) D 7.6mm (0.3 inches) 6: H 138.1 mm (5.44 in) W 67.0 mm (2.64 in) D 6.9 mm (0.27 in) (inc. lens, 7.5 mm, 0.30 in) 12 Mini: H 131.5 (5.18 in) W 64.2 (2.53 in) D 7.4 mm (0.29 in)
- ChrisMarshallNY 5y agoNo, you're right. The screen makes it a LOT bigger than the iPhone SE (what I had used, previously). But it's just at the upper limit at what I can do one-handed. I traded in an XS Max for it. I don't miss that big honker, one bit. I use it as a test device, nowadays.
- teekert 5y agoTo easily do everything with one hand, swipe down from the bottom (as if unlocking but down), then you pull the upper part of the screen down. Works everywhere. (I also have the 12 mini btw, really like it)
- steve_adams_86 5y agoThis was my thought as well. I’d probably never put these in a loop - I’ll place one in my bag, on my measuring tape (ha), and my wife will probably use one too... Most likely without attaching it to anything, just sticking it in a pocket or whatever. It’s fine for all of our use cases.
- mirthflat83 5y agoIP67, size, and design. Your comment is more of a facepalm moment.
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- NationalPark 5y agoI think it has as many non-loophole uses as loophole uses, so I can see why they chose to cut down on bulk there. I put one in my wallet and one in a small internal pocket in my bag, neither are actually attached. I can't remember the last time I actually lost my bag or my wallet, but these are definitely pretty fun.
- ffggvv 5y agoprettty sure the entire point was so they can make money off accessories
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- texec 5y agoBeside the size it's probably a tradeoff on mechanical integrity: a keyring can introduce immense mechanical stress. On my last tag the small loophole just broke away after a year on a key that was not used daily or in harsh environments. With the AirTag you can just replace a $2 third party accessory. Apple didn't have to engineer a very durable (maybe milled?) loophole, which would have increased cost.
- fastball 5y agoIt's really not though. I just bought a four pack, and I only want a loophole on one of them (so I bought the Belkin holder).
- crazygringo 5y agoBecause it's not going to be $13, you'll surely be able to buy 5 for $6 off Amazon soon for whatever kind of holder-with-loophole you want. People love customizing their things. Some people will need large holes, other tiny ones, depending on what they're attaching it to. Some will want to make their AirTag bigger and bulkier, others not. In this case I think Apple made the absolutely right decision.
- dzhiurgis 5y agoPut one in your ear as a tunnel. Remember tunnels?
- dan1234 5y agoWhile ifixit did drill a hole, we have no way of knowing how durable that hole will be. The drill point looked pretty close to the edge, simple fatigue may snap the hole quite quickly.
- vineyardmike 5y agoAdditionally, the nice thing about the keyring is that the airtag is parallel to the keychain loop, while with a keyring its perpendicular - to me this is huge in terms of comfort on my keychain