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Yeah, true. Docker is basically at its core a shell around cgroups/chroots and filesystems. An overengineered shell and a confusing cmdline (which got better t

Yeah, true. Docker is basically at its core a shell around cgroups/chroots and filesystems. An overengineered shell and a confusing cmdline (which got better to be fair) There's no "technology" there per se (on Docker "core"). Docker containers and Dockerfiles maybe? Which got eaten by other orchestration technologies there?

asien 6y ago
> Which got eaten by other orchestration technologies there? Exactly , Kubernetes wants to remove Docker , and the Docker orchestration layer « Docker Compose » is completely dead. Again the founder has left the company with millions , there is no leadership whatsoever it’s a just a zombie company losing millions every year until it’ll declare bankruptcy. Google / Redhat are very well aware of that that’s why they are trying to decouple their product ( Kubernetes/ Openshift ) from docker before it officially become deprecated . [0]https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/kubernetes-is-deprecating-docker-what-you-need-to-know https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/kubernetes-is-deprec...
- 0xEFF 6y ago
  Kubernetes is already fully decoupled from docker. Defaults for new clusters are containerd today.
- jen20 6y ago
  > until it’ll declare bankruptcy Or get acquired in a fire sale.
- jayd16 6y ago
  Docker compose still seems like the easiest solution for a quick local dev env, no? Is there an easier turnkey solution for users? (I don't care about the setup as much as the ease of use by devs who didn't set it up.)
  - thorum 6y ago
    skaffold and minikube (which runs a simple Kubernetes cluster on your local dev computer) are great - the developer just types “skaffold dev” in their terminal and skaffold handles the entire process of building and deploying code into minikube, with instant live updates whenever files change. https://skaffold.dev/ https://skaffold.dev/ https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/ https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/
    - jayd16 6y ago
      Still seems more complex than docker compose even if the file watching is nice. I'll look into it some more though, thanks.
  - JeremyNT 6y ago
    Docker compose is still really good for the use case that you want to lump a bunch of services together and go. It's great for local development and it's just fine for deploying a set of services to a single host. The "issues" with compose are 1) it doesn't make Docker any money, thus doesn't see much in the way of enhancements, and 2) it doesn't even try to do the enterprisey things that Kubernetes does. Also, you can drop podman-compose in and run most docker-compose files with no or minimal modifications, so it's not like docker-compose itself is even unique.
goalieca 6y ago
Dockerhub is quite a feat of engineering though.
- 0xEFF 6y ago
  Genuinely curious why? Isn’t it just a large http server for static binaries?
- tofuahdude 6y ago
  In what way? I perceive it as a gui for S3.
- DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
  in what sense? the only way that sums up Dockerhub is that it's the petridish of choice for malware.

asien 6y ago

> Which got eaten by other orchestration technologies there? Exactly , Kubernetes wants to remove Docker , and the Docker orchestration layer « Docker Compose » is completely dead. Again the founder has left the company with millions , there is no leadership whatsoever it’s a just a zombie company losing millions every year until it’ll declare bankruptcy. Google / Redhat are very well aware of that that’s why they are trying to decouple their product ( Kubernetes/ Openshift ) from docker before it officially become deprecated . [0]https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/kubernetes-is-deprecating-docker-what-you-need-to-know https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/kubernetes-is-deprec...

0xEFF 6y ago
Kubernetes is already fully decoupled from docker. Defaults for new clusters are containerd today.
jen20 6y ago
> until it’ll declare bankruptcy Or get acquired in a fire sale.
jayd16 6y ago
Docker compose still seems like the easiest solution for a quick local dev env, no? Is there an easier turnkey solution for users? (I don't care about the setup as much as the ease of use by devs who didn't set it up.)
- thorum 6y ago
  skaffold and minikube (which runs a simple Kubernetes cluster on your local dev computer) are great - the developer just types “skaffold dev” in their terminal and skaffold handles the entire process of building and deploying code into minikube, with instant live updates whenever files change. https://skaffold.dev/ https://skaffold.dev/ https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/ https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/
  - jayd16 6y ago
    Still seems more complex than docker compose even if the file watching is nice. I'll look into it some more though, thanks.
- JeremyNT 6y ago
  Docker compose is still really good for the use case that you want to lump a bunch of services together and go. It's great for local development and it's just fine for deploying a set of services to a single host. The "issues" with compose are 1) it doesn't make Docker any money, thus doesn't see much in the way of enhancements, and 2) it doesn't even try to do the enterprisey things that Kubernetes does. Also, you can drop podman-compose in and run most docker-compose files with no or minimal modifications, so it's not like docker-compose itself is even unique.

goalieca 6y ago

Dockerhub is quite a feat of engineering though.

0xEFF 6y ago
Genuinely curious why? Isn’t it just a large http server for static binaries?
tofuahdude 6y ago
In what way? I perceive it as a gui for S3.
DyslexicAtheist 6y ago
in what sense? the only way that sums up Dockerhub is that it's the petridish of choice for malware.