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That can't be right. The Normans as a people played a major part in European history from at least the year 911 through the Hundred Years War (1337-1453). I've
by rm445 5y ago
That can't be right. The Normans as a people played a major part in European history from at least the year 911 through the Hundred Years War (1337-1453). I've never seen the faintest indication that they weren't still called Normans after leaving Normandy, by themselves and others, e.g when invading England and Italy.
I guess you meant more that the term fell out of use in England at some point, and Norman-descended people in England called themselves English. But even so, Norman is still a recognisable ethnicity - norse people who settled in France, spread by conquest into England, Malta etc. It could be a useful contemporary or historical label even if those people at a given time called themselves something else.
- barry-cotter 5y agoThe people who invaded England and Italy were called Normans. The people who invaded Ireland called themselves English, and were called English by the Irish.
- selimthegrim 5y agoA different group of Norse invaded Ireland before they did England IIRC (hence why Norse-Gaels is a thing). But the Normans who invaded Ireland came via Wales largely and were not called English until the 16th century https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubgaill_and_Finngaill https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubgaill_and_Finngaill
- barry-cotter 5y agoThe article you link to is talking about the Vikings, not the Normans. If you can find a primary or secondary source saying they called themselves anything other than English of be delighted to see it.
- selimthegrim 5y agoThe wiki on Normans in Ireland cites Brenden Bradshaw on what the Irish called them but that applied only to Donegal apparently.