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Not surprising honestly , docker has had more 300M of investment and still has no decent stream of revenue to pay their 300+ employees of SV. The entire indust

by asien 5y ago

Not surprising honestly , docker has had more 300M of investment and still has no decent stream of revenue to pay their 300+ employees of SV. The entire industry knows it , the Docker devtools brought containers to the mass but anything beyond that is being taken by Cloud Vendors / Redhat etc... The Open Container Initiative contributed massively to make Docker the standard for container but also for other initiatives to replace it.... I personally believe it will also be its death sentence, seeing how many competitions are coming to get a better / simpler container tool chains add to that a lack of leadership after the founder left with a big check from the fundraising it’s just a matter of time before Docker goes bankrupt.

tyingq 5y ago
I believe WSL2 and Apple's virtualization framework may eventually kill Docker desktop. Both provide enough underpinnings for an open source solution to match the "ease of use" thing that makes Docker Desktop popular. That leaves Docker Hub as their last revenue stream.
- indymike 5y ago
  Util I can deploy an _____ (cool, new thing) image on pretty much anything Docker isn't going anywhere.
  - tyingq 5y ago
    Not "docker" in general...Docker desktop. Docker the company makes nothing on the command line docker tool.
- sleepybrett 5y ago
  podman.
raverbashing 5y ago
Yeah, true. Docker is basically at its core a shell around cgroups/chroots and filesystems. An overengineered shell and a confusing cmdline (which got better to be fair) There's no "technology" there per se (on Docker "core"). Docker containers and Dockerfiles maybe? Which got eaten by other orchestration technologies there?
- asien 5y ago
  > Which got eaten by other orchestration technologies there? Exactly , Kubernetes wants to remove Docker , and the Docker orchestration layer « Docker Compose » is completely dead. Again the founder has left the company with millions , there is no leadership whatsoever it’s a just a zombie company losing millions every year until it’ll declare bankruptcy. Google / Redhat are very well aware of that that’s why they are trying to decouple their product ( Kubernetes/ Openshift ) from docker before it officially become deprecated . [0]https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/kubernetes-is-deprecating-docker-what-you-need-to-know https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/kubernetes-is-deprec...
  - 0xEFF 5y ago
    Kubernetes is already fully decoupled from docker. Defaults for new clusters are containerd today.
  - jen20 5y ago
    > until it’ll declare bankruptcy Or get acquired in a fire sale.
  - jayd16 5y ago
    Docker compose still seems like the easiest solution for a quick local dev env, no? Is there an easier turnkey solution for users? (I don't care about the setup as much as the ease of use by devs who didn't set it up.)
    - thorum 5y ago
      skaffold and minikube (which runs a simple Kubernetes cluster on your local dev computer) are great - the developer just types “skaffold dev” in their terminal and skaffold handles the entire process of building and deploying code into minikube, with instant live updates whenever files change. https://skaffold.dev/ https://skaffold.dev/ https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/ https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/
      - 5y ago
darthrupert 5y ago
300+?! Oh man. Are there any alternatives that replicate its features outside of Linux?

by asien 5y ago

tyingq 5y ago

I believe WSL2 and Apple's virtualization framework may eventually kill Docker desktop. Both provide enough underpinnings for an open source solution to match the "ease of use" thing that makes Docker Desktop popular. That leaves Docker Hub as their last revenue stream.

indymike 5y ago
Util I can deploy an _____ (cool, new thing) image on pretty much anything Docker isn't going anywhere.
- tyingq 5y ago
  Not "docker" in general...Docker desktop. Docker the company makes nothing on the command line docker tool.
sleepybrett 5y ago
podman.

raverbashing 5y ago

Yeah, true. Docker is basically at its core a shell around cgroups/chroots and filesystems. An overengineered shell and a confusing cmdline (which got better to be fair) There's no "technology" there per se (on Docker "core"). Docker containers and Dockerfiles maybe? Which got eaten by other orchestration technologies there?

asien 5y ago
> Which got eaten by other orchestration technologies there? Exactly , Kubernetes wants to remove Docker , and the Docker orchestration layer « Docker Compose » is completely dead. Again the founder has left the company with millions , there is no leadership whatsoever it’s a just a zombie company losing millions every year until it’ll declare bankruptcy. Google / Redhat are very well aware of that that’s why they are trying to decouple their product ( Kubernetes/ Openshift ) from docker before it officially become deprecated . [0]https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/kubernetes-is-deprecating-docker-what-you-need-to-know https://acloudguru.com/blog/engineering/kubernetes-is-deprec...
- 0xEFF 5y ago
  Kubernetes is already fully decoupled from docker. Defaults for new clusters are containerd today.
- jen20 5y ago
  > until it’ll declare bankruptcy Or get acquired in a fire sale.
- jayd16 5y ago
  Docker compose still seems like the easiest solution for a quick local dev env, no? Is there an easier turnkey solution for users? (I don't care about the setup as much as the ease of use by devs who didn't set it up.)
  - thorum 5y ago
    skaffold and minikube (which runs a simple Kubernetes cluster on your local dev computer) are great - the developer just types “skaffold dev” in their terminal and skaffold handles the entire process of building and deploying code into minikube, with instant live updates whenever files change. https://skaffold.dev/ https://skaffold.dev/ https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/ https://minikube.sigs.k8s.io/docs/
    - 5y ago

darthrupert 5y ago

300+?! Oh man. Are there any alternatives that replicate its features outside of Linux?