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No one is making you run Docker Desktop. It is not holding you hostage. There are alternatives in this very thread. Comparing it to ransomware is absurd.

aflag 6y ago
Fair enough, ransomware is certainly an exaggeration, but the absurdity of it comes from the fact that not upgrading it just means they don’t do anything, whereas they are actively doing something and asking for money not to. Usually, people pay money to other people to solve their problems, in this case the same people asking for money to solve the problem are the people creating the problem in the first place.
kordlessagain 6y ago
Docker even uninstalled itself from my computer!
salawat 6y ago
No it isn't, not the way in whch the comparison was made. Previously, ransomware (and some games/media) were tge only software products that asked for a higher price tag to not install extra code the user did not want on their machine. It is a fundamentally predatory practice, because the developers completely misunderstand consent. Just because I have some or a version of your software running, doesn't mean I want to invite you the hypothetical software developer to live on my system, auto updating things from under me. It's a pattern that has fought harder and harder amongst softdev people to ignore the sanctity of other people's computer for the user's own good that needs to die. Not comparing it to ransomware is absurd, frankly. The more it's normalized, the more people will reach for it as a business model.
krzepah 6y ago
When I read things like that it pulls me away even further from continuing CS. How blind are you that you do not realise that forcing a software execution is not ransomeware ? I'll tell you what's wrong here : Docker is a fantastic technology but it simply couldn't find a suitable market tactic. Now it resolves to this shitty practices. I don't even know how you can begin to think that it would add ANY burden to them NOT to run the update on your computer. And here is my problem : It's my computer, I decide what is ran on it or not. Next day we have some idiot getting keys on the docker update system and we simply have built a technologic crash because suddenly nobody can decide wether that update is ran or not. Keeping control away of the user is the most stupid thing there is.
- bradleyjg 6y ago
  > It's my computer, I decide what is ran on it or not. Absolutely nothing docker has done contradicts this. You want docker desktop, you install docker desktop. You don’t, you don’t. Docker has no obligation to provide a piece of software (for free!) with exactly the feature set you want. I can’t understand how anyone could think they do.
  - closeparen 6y ago
    I installed the Docker Desktop I wanted. Then you reached into my machine, deleted it, and replaced it with something else I didn’t want. I don’t understand how anyone could think they have the right to do that. A desktop application is not a SaaS website. Docker Desktop is the thing it was when I downloaded it, not a piece of real estate on my machine for you to manage remotely as you see fit.
    - xvector 6y ago
      > I installed the Docker Desktop I wanted. Then you reached into my machine, deleted it, and replaced it with something else I didn’t want. To clarify, you installed a piece of software with this capability. Thus, you did not install a piece of software you wanted. Furthermore, Docker has the right to write software that functions and updates as they wish. You have the right to not install it. It's really that simple. A lot of software today is auto-updating, where updates cannot be disabled, if they can even be delayed. It's the developers' choice whether they want their software to function like this, your choice whether you want to install it.
  - Nicksil 6y ago
    >Absolutely nothing docker has done contradicts this. Sure it does. It updates the software automatically with seemingly no way of stopping the behavior without first paying a fee. Regardless of the intent of the individual installing the software on their machine, once installed it absolutely executes on its own; there's no denying this.
ryandrake 6y ago
If not ransomware, it's at least malware, as is anything that modifies the user's computer without consent. Also, this all-or-nothing "accept whatever the developer demands or uninstall and go away" mentality is not helpful, and a false dilemma.

aflag 6y ago

Fair enough, ransomware is certainly an exaggeration, but the absurdity of it comes from the fact that not upgrading it just means they don’t do anything, whereas they are actively doing something and asking for money not to. Usually, people pay money to other people to solve their problems, in this case the same people asking for money to solve the problem are the people creating the problem in the first place.

kordlessagain 6y ago

Docker even uninstalled itself from my computer!

salawat 6y ago

No it isn't, not the way in whch the comparison was made. Previously, ransomware (and some games/media) were tge only software products that asked for a higher price tag to not install extra code the user did not want on their machine. It is a fundamentally predatory practice, because the developers completely misunderstand consent. Just because I have some or a version of your software running, doesn't mean I want to invite you the hypothetical software developer to live on my system, auto updating things from under me. It's a pattern that has fought harder and harder amongst softdev people to ignore the sanctity of other people's computer for the user's own good that needs to die. Not comparing it to ransomware is absurd, frankly. The more it's normalized, the more people will reach for it as a business model.

krzepah 6y ago

When I read things like that it pulls me away even further from continuing CS. How blind are you that you do not realise that forcing a software execution is not ransomeware ? I'll tell you what's wrong here : Docker is a fantastic technology but it simply couldn't find a suitable market tactic. Now it resolves to this shitty practices. I don't even know how you can begin to think that it would add ANY burden to them NOT to run the update on your computer. And here is my problem : It's my computer, I decide what is ran on it or not. Next day we have some idiot getting keys on the docker update system and we simply have built a technologic crash because suddenly nobody can decide wether that update is ran or not. Keeping control away of the user is the most stupid thing there is.

bradleyjg 6y ago
> It's my computer, I decide what is ran on it or not. Absolutely nothing docker has done contradicts this. You want docker desktop, you install docker desktop. You don’t, you don’t. Docker has no obligation to provide a piece of software (for free!) with exactly the feature set you want. I can’t understand how anyone could think they do.
- closeparen 6y ago
  I installed the Docker Desktop I wanted. Then you reached into my machine, deleted it, and replaced it with something else I didn’t want. I don’t understand how anyone could think they have the right to do that. A desktop application is not a SaaS website. Docker Desktop is the thing it was when I downloaded it, not a piece of real estate on my machine for you to manage remotely as you see fit.
  - xvector 6y ago
    > I installed the Docker Desktop I wanted. Then you reached into my machine, deleted it, and replaced it with something else I didn’t want. To clarify, you installed a piece of software with this capability. Thus, you did not install a piece of software you wanted. Furthermore, Docker has the right to write software that functions and updates as they wish. You have the right to not install it. It's really that simple. A lot of software today is auto-updating, where updates cannot be disabled, if they can even be delayed. It's the developers' choice whether they want their software to function like this, your choice whether you want to install it.
- Nicksil 6y ago
  >Absolutely nothing docker has done contradicts this. Sure it does. It updates the software automatically with seemingly no way of stopping the behavior without first paying a fee. Regardless of the intent of the individual installing the software on their machine, once installed it absolutely executes on its own; there's no denying this.

ryandrake 6y ago

If not ransomware, it's at least malware, as is anything that modifies the user's computer without consent. Also, this all-or-nothing "accept whatever the developer demands or uninstall and go away" mentality is not helpful, and a false dilemma.