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You judge from subjective view. Should we all? I do not like macOS and Windows experience. It is full of distractions. http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-de

You judge from subjective view. Should we all? I do not like macOS and Windows experience. It is full of distractions. http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-decorations.png http://sergeykish.com/side-by-side-no-decorations.png

chovybizzass 5y ago
MacOS is usable. Windows isn't. I like KDE because its not either and its themeable.
slver 5y ago
The macOS/Windows term for those distractions is "applications".
EvilEy3 5y ago
> It is full of distractions Define distraction in terms of computing first.
- herbst 5y ago
  Popups, weird confirmation dialogs nobody reads, configurations hidden in X different uis without console interface, the amount of screen space wasted for whatever reasons and the possibility that the wasted space contains text and icons that suddenly start to blink and move (attention seeking apps), .... I feel distracted working on Windows or Mac. As if someone is putting stones everywhere and i have to mangle inbetween
  - EvilEy3 5y ago
    I don't see how any of this happens all the time. If I were to maximize terminal and IDE/Browser I won't see those things either.
    - herbst 5y ago
      You are likely more used to it than i am. Thing is even if i maximize my terminal on windows or mac, how much can i actually do without switching context to get some things done. Switching between software is also not what i consider distructing. Its the how, the discovery of files and software, the switching between windows, switching between possibly dozens of windows of the same kind. How many key strokes are some actions away? (Given mac is a lot better in this degree than windows). Some approaches on linux, be it gnome or kde or tiled solutions are just so much more efficient
    - sergeykish 5y ago
      You've just described it, you need intermediate step of maximizing. You can get away from distraction for a while.
  - hypertele-Xii 5y ago
    Funny, absolutely everything you said applied to Ubuntu last time I tried it.
    - herbst 5y ago
      Ubuntu is a horrible example for well one UX or even a stable linux system. Times change, and i totally agree thats its hard to see trough as average user.
    - sergeykish 5y ago
      There are so many groups in Linux. Ubuntu was oriented towards Windows users. Check out Arch Linux pkgstats [1]: * gnome-shell is GNOME * plasma-workspace is KDE * i3-wm and sway — tiling WM and its Wayland successor * xmonad — WM building framework Note: these are installed packages among those who opted in, does not strictly reflects usage. Some fun statistics [2]. [1] https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnome-shell,i3-wm,plasma-workspace,sway,xmonad https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnom... [2] https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun
- sergeykish 5y ago
  Everything that's not related to my current task. For example Windows UI constantly reminds me of * application name * ability to max, min, move * list of running applications * ability to run other applications * content length and my progress * actions on content I don't need any of these. Like Amazon Echo users probably don't require ever present poster of available actions. Instead I have places — several of work places, generic browsing, messaging, media controls, services.
  - zepto 5y ago
    I’m not sure why this got downvoted - it’s a very clear expression of a real issue, and it’s definitely easier to solve it on Linux. I choose to use Mac OS, and I celebrate each time they take a step in solving these problems - e.g. making the menu bar hidable, but I am fully aware that if I want something better in these ways I will need to use Linux and customize it to my tastes.
qayxc 5y ago
> You judge from subjective view. Should we all? I do not like macOS and Windows experience. It is full of distractions. You judge from a subjective view. There's no discoverability in the screenshot you shared. It's all subjective and a product for the mass market looks different from a product that serves a very specific niche.
- sergeykish 5y ago
  Absolutely. I've mimicked subjective view of parent comment. I trade discoverability for immersion and space. Apple is famous of its discoverability issues. Nowhere article stated it's going to be year of Linux userland on the smartphone. It states hope for existence of a niche.

chovybizzass 5y ago

MacOS is usable. Windows isn't. I like KDE because its not either and its themeable.

slver 5y ago

The macOS/Windows term for those distractions is "applications".

EvilEy3 5y ago

> It is full of distractions Define distraction in terms of computing first.

herbst 5y ago
Popups, weird confirmation dialogs nobody reads, configurations hidden in X different uis without console interface, the amount of screen space wasted for whatever reasons and the possibility that the wasted space contains text and icons that suddenly start to blink and move (attention seeking apps), .... I feel distracted working on Windows or Mac. As if someone is putting stones everywhere and i have to mangle inbetween
- EvilEy3 5y ago
  I don't see how any of this happens all the time. If I were to maximize terminal and IDE/Browser I won't see those things either.
  - herbst 5y ago
    You are likely more used to it than i am. Thing is even if i maximize my terminal on windows or mac, how much can i actually do without switching context to get some things done. Switching between software is also not what i consider distructing. Its the how, the discovery of files and software, the switching between windows, switching between possibly dozens of windows of the same kind. How many key strokes are some actions away? (Given mac is a lot better in this degree than windows). Some approaches on linux, be it gnome or kde or tiled solutions are just so much more efficient
  - sergeykish 5y ago
    You've just described it, you need intermediate step of maximizing. You can get away from distraction for a while.
- hypertele-Xii 5y ago
  Funny, absolutely everything you said applied to Ubuntu last time I tried it.
  - herbst 5y ago
    Ubuntu is a horrible example for well one UX or even a stable linux system. Times change, and i totally agree thats its hard to see trough as average user.
  - sergeykish 5y ago
    There are so many groups in Linux. Ubuntu was oriented towards Windows users. Check out Arch Linux pkgstats [1]: * gnome-shell is GNOME * plasma-workspace is KDE * i3-wm and sway — tiling WM and its Wayland successor * xmonad — WM building framework Note: these are installed packages among those who opted in, does not strictly reflects usage. Some fun statistics [2]. [1] https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnome-shell,i3-wm,plasma-workspace,sway,xmonad https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/compare/packages#packages=gnom... [2] https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun https://pkgstats.archlinux.de/fun
sergeykish 5y ago
Everything that's not related to my current task. For example Windows UI constantly reminds me of * application name * ability to max, min, move * list of running applications * ability to run other applications * content length and my progress * actions on content I don't need any of these. Like Amazon Echo users probably don't require ever present poster of available actions. Instead I have places — several of work places, generic browsing, messaging, media controls, services.
- zepto 5y ago
  I’m not sure why this got downvoted - it’s a very clear expression of a real issue, and it’s definitely easier to solve it on Linux. I choose to use Mac OS, and I celebrate each time they take a step in solving these problems - e.g. making the menu bar hidable, but I am fully aware that if I want something better in these ways I will need to use Linux and customize it to my tastes.

qayxc 5y ago

> You judge from subjective view. Should we all? I do not like macOS and Windows experience. It is full of distractions. You judge from a subjective view. There's no discoverability in the screenshot you shared. It's all subjective and a product for the mass market looks different from a product that serves a very specific niche.

sergeykish 5y ago
Absolutely. I've mimicked subjective view of parent comment. I trade discoverability for immersion and space. Apple is famous of its discoverability issues. Nowhere article stated it's going to be year of Linux userland on the smartphone. It states hope for existence of a niche.