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This is probably less about Basecamp and more about the "straw that broke the camel's back" of people being tired of activists being so loud. Semi-unrelatedly,

This is probably less about Basecamp and more about the "straw that broke the camel's back" of people being tired of activists being so loud. Semi-unrelatedly, I noticed something interesting: People who try to solve problem X seem to dislike other people who try to solve the same problem in a slightly different way almost as much as they dislike the people who cause X in the first place. I find myself being put off similarly, and it's completely irrational that I'd be put off that someone is against racism as much as I am, but has a different idea of what a solution might look like. Being aware of that is probably a good step towards fixing it, so I wanted to mention it here.

xupybd 5y ago
That's a really interesting insight. I hadn't seen that before but it appears very true when reflecting on the current political climate. It's as if not agreeing with a given solution to a problem is the same as not wanting to solve the problem.
- StavrosK 5y ago
  Yeah, it's especially egregious between pro-nuclear and pro-solar activists, where they fight each other while hydrocarbons keep being burnt. It's insane.
dools 5y ago
“People being tired of activists being so loud” == over privileged people being pissed off that under privileged people keeping ruining their privileged experience by pointing out their privilege EDIT: unsurprisingly the word privilege is triggering on HN
- StavrosK 5y ago
  It's not that the word "privilege" is triggering people, it's that your comment is exactly the sort of dismissal that leads to the sentiment I described. If someone complains you're too loud, saying "you just don't like what you're hearing" will just further alienate you from people who like what you're saying but don't like the volume.
  - dools 5y ago
    "people who like what you're saying but don't like the volume." There is no such thing
    - StavrosK 5y ago
      Well, good luck.
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aspaceman 5y ago
Even if it was the straw that broke the camels back, basecamp has effectively shifted the conversation away from “Should the company have a funny names list?” to “Should we be able to talk politics in company spaces?” I think it shows a lot of PR skill and thought to have shifted the conversation like this. In my opinion you’re all too eager to argue about politics in the workplace.

xupybd 5y ago

That's a really interesting insight. I hadn't seen that before but it appears very true when reflecting on the current political climate. It's as if not agreeing with a given solution to a problem is the same as not wanting to solve the problem.

StavrosK 5y ago
Yeah, it's especially egregious between pro-nuclear and pro-solar activists, where they fight each other while hydrocarbons keep being burnt. It's insane.

dools 5y ago

“People being tired of activists being so loud” == over privileged people being pissed off that under privileged people keeping ruining their privileged experience by pointing out their privilege EDIT: unsurprisingly the word privilege is triggering on HN

StavrosK 5y ago
It's not that the word "privilege" is triggering people, it's that your comment is exactly the sort of dismissal that leads to the sentiment I described. If someone complains you're too loud, saying "you just don't like what you're hearing" will just further alienate you from people who like what you're saying but don't like the volume.
- dools 5y ago
  "people who like what you're saying but don't like the volume." There is no such thing
  - StavrosK 5y ago
    Well, good luck.

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aspaceman 5y ago

Even if it was the straw that broke the camels back, basecamp has effectively shifted the conversation away from “Should the company have a funny names list?” to “Should we be able to talk politics in company spaces?” I think it shows a lot of PR skill and thought to have shifted the conversation like this. In my opinion you’re all too eager to argue about politics in the workplace.