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Two things: 1) The GNU utilities have pretty good CLI UI design and there are plenty of us who are perfectly happy with just that and a decent WM like FVWM ev

by swiley 6y ago

Two things: 1) The GNU utilities have pretty good CLI UI design and there are plenty of us who are perfectly happy with just that and a decent WM like FVWM even on a phone 2) It's not like closed mobile stuff has a great UI either. My favorite example is Apple's camera app. Did you know you can do manual focus with it? It's absolutely impossible to discover but I think it involves a "reverse three finger pinch." I've even had it explained twice to me (and used it) and forgotten how to do it after. I can never remember how when I need it. This garbage makes the TAR UI look like it was designed by an artist.

mod50ack 6y ago
I mean, you say "plenty", but it's going to be only a fraction of the number of people who are perfectly happy with that sort of thing on the desktop, which already isn't very many people (even if you assumed all *nix users sans Macheads were like this, which they're not). And while you're right to say that mobile UI design can be bad, is the solution to that really throwing out mobile UI as a concept altogether in favor of ... a window manager designed for a mouse and ketboard, running text terminals on a tiny touchscreen?
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EvilEy3 6y ago
> plenty of us Which is a soooo tiny minority that it won't even show up on charts. > It's absolutely impossible to discover but I think it involves a "reverse three finger pinch." That's a shitty UX, not UI.
- dudeman13 6y ago
  Can't have bad UI if there is no visible UI taps head
  - slver 6y ago
    There is no three finger manual focus gesture on iPhone. Not sure where he got that from.
  - II2II 6y ago
    User interfaces are how you interact with a computer. That includes visual and non-visual elements. Widgets you tap on the screen, gestures you make with your fingers, hotkeys, and commands entered are all components of the UI. If you pinched your fingers together on a touch screen and the view started zooming in it would be just as bad as clicking on a magnifying glass with a '-' symbol and it zooming in, even though the former is not visible.
slver 6y ago
The Apple Camera app has no manual focus. It has autofocus, tap to focus and it has focus lock if you tap and hold. How come your “favorite example” isn’t even a real example...
- swiley 6y ago
  It turns out I was thinking of the exposure/brightness controll. Sorry I don't use iOS very often (and very rarely use the camera app.) I think my point still stands though. The UI is not at all discoverable (and not all that ergonomic either which is why most people might tolerate some lack of discoverability.)
  - slver 6y ago
    The exposure/brightness control is not it either. When you tap on your screen, the camera focuses on the point you tapped. It also adjusts the exposure to the point you tapped. And right next to where you tapped, a simple slider with a SUN ICON appears, and you can drag that slider to adjust the exposure. The fact you don't use iOS and the Camera app, I'm fine with that. But you're telling everyone how bad the iPhone UI is without using it and misleading people about how it works. Not quite fair. In any case, it's easy to pile on Apple, until you try to do it yourself. Let's see this Android OS match something at least half as usable as what the iPhone UI is. It took Android a decade to get there.

by swiley 6y ago

mod50ack 6y ago

I mean, you say "plenty", but it's going to be only a fraction of the number of people who are perfectly happy with that sort of thing on the desktop, which already isn't very many people (even if you assumed all *nix users sans Macheads were like this, which they're not). And while you're right to say that mobile UI design can be bad, is the solution to that really throwing out mobile UI as a concept altogether in favor of ... a window manager designed for a mouse and ketboard, running text terminals on a tiny touchscreen?

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EvilEy3 6y ago

> plenty of us Which is a soooo tiny minority that it won't even show up on charts. > It's absolutely impossible to discover but I think it involves a "reverse three finger pinch." That's a shitty UX, not UI.

dudeman13 6y ago
Can't have bad UI if there is no visible UI taps head
- slver 6y ago
  There is no three finger manual focus gesture on iPhone. Not sure where he got that from.
- II2II 6y ago
  User interfaces are how you interact with a computer. That includes visual and non-visual elements. Widgets you tap on the screen, gestures you make with your fingers, hotkeys, and commands entered are all components of the UI. If you pinched your fingers together on a touch screen and the view started zooming in it would be just as bad as clicking on a magnifying glass with a '-' symbol and it zooming in, even though the former is not visible.

slver 6y ago

The Apple Camera app has no manual focus. It has autofocus, tap to focus and it has focus lock if you tap and hold. How come your “favorite example” isn’t even a real example...

swiley 6y ago
It turns out I was thinking of the exposure/brightness controll. Sorry I don't use iOS very often (and very rarely use the camera app.) I think my point still stands though. The UI is not at all discoverable (and not all that ergonomic either which is why most people might tolerate some lack of discoverability.)
- slver 6y ago
  The exposure/brightness control is not it either. When you tap on your screen, the camera focuses on the point you tapped. It also adjusts the exposure to the point you tapped. And right next to where you tapped, a simple slider with a SUN ICON appears, and you can drag that slider to adjust the exposure. The fact you don't use iOS and the Camera app, I'm fine with that. But you're telling everyone how bad the iPhone UI is without using it and misleading people about how it works. Not quite fair. In any case, it's easy to pile on Apple, until you try to do it yourself. Let's see this Android OS match something at least half as usable as what the iPhone UI is. It took Android a decade to get there.