When I look at the garbage people buy in supermarkets and all the products that are peddled (in Europe btw, I understand US has a lot more "choice") no wonder p

When I look at the garbage people buy in supermarkets and all the products that are peddled (in Europe btw, I understand US has a lot more "choice") no wonder people have no chance of winning. You go to a doctor being "markedly obese" with some additional health issue, they will not believe you'll ever get better. The fact that you could lose 20 or 40kg doesn't even enter their mind. Instead they give you blood-pressure meds and other things to "manage the symptoms". With the medical industry depending on adding things to the list of purchases you have to make instead of just advising to stop eating people will continue to be fat and unhealthy. The whole dietary and supplements industry is a historic dumpster fire of corporate disinformation. I recently came across a YT channel where they made a point about water diet in which the author advertised all kind of supplements that he recommended (incl an affiliate link to these products). I was like "serious? the whole point of water diet is to stop stuffing your face not to make a trip to the pharmacy" I bring this up specifically because once you've done water diet for 30 or 40 days (or whatever crazy limity you thought you couldn't achieve), everything that dietary/medicine science suggests looks like it's a scam to profit from the weak and gullible. I was in a really horrible shape just before divorce, sick, depressed, overweight, ... (felt horrible especially because I used to run marathons nearly every year so I missed feeling great a lot). When I attempted my first water diet there was no YT channel and no research other than stern health warnings by the quacks. I knew it had to work because my dad was on water diet once a year when I was a kid. In his 40ies and he became so good at it that he lasted over 2 months (he also had gained a lot of experience with this over the years and slowly built things up). First time I tried it I managed to do it for 2 weeks but then caved watching my family eat dinner every night. Still I felt proud AF. 2 years later I lasted 40 days. It not only got rid of all my fat but there was also no brain fog. And it boosted my confidence tremendously. It made me confident that I could keep going after 30 days that it was actually really hard to stop since I had became mentally so strong. I literally had to force myself not to go one more day "because I came this far already" 2 weeks into the 40 days I was still going for runs of up to 1 hrs/daily and ran until week 3, then changed to walks. I was dropping ~1kg almost every day the first 10-14 days and then 0.5 - 0.7 /day. The amount of mental energy I had was like I was on some kind of secret drugs (only without the side-effects). I didn't feel tired as long as I had 4-5 hrs sleep per night. I did lose some muscles but I also lost _all_ of my fat and despite people talking about "jo-jo effect" and saying "ugh you're just losing water", I never gained more than a few kg afterwards (still true today and it was almost a decade ago). few weeks after finishing the diet and getting into a normal eating cycle, I was being able to continue my running routine which I was used to from my marathon times. The weight and pressure on joints were no longer an issue. I don't believe in organized religion but I still felt a moment of "awakening" during those days. The amount of clarity I had in my head can only be described as "spiritual" with a huge capacity to analyze many things at the same time. I imagine this is what microdosing feels like only the results are real and not imagined. I suddenly understood why fasting is a common theme in every religion. It was life altering in every sense. While I've never done 40 days again I do every couple of months 3-5 days and once a year up to 10 days. The rest of the year I'm on an IF plan of 20:4 and it's laughably easy simply because my brain has the memory of having lasted once a lot longer and because of it I know my body quite well. The reason why I still do this is that I want to replicate that mental power I learned I could have in a sustainable and safe manner (I no longer have the kg/reserves to just not eat for a month LOL). Having learned this also now allows me to sometimes keep going for days without food on my summer long distance hikes through the wilderness if I'm forced - and it's a lot less scary if I know I'm out of resources as long as I got water. Most people will not do water-diets because they can't picture not eating this long. But you're hungry only for the first couple of days. The rest is easy in comparison. What makes other types of dieting hard is a constant on/off cycle in which you need to go through the hunger peaks over and over. Beat your mind first then beat your body is much more effective. PS: after I did the 40 days I ended up having kidney stones. Not from the diet but the diet flushed it all out which were the result of couple of years of terrible diet (and would have been something I'd have to eventually go through anyway). There are some doctors who say if you have cancer cells your body might actually eat them as these get attacked/eaten first). IDK probably needs citations and more research but since I have taught myself to experiment with this I kind of feel sorry for those who are getting gamed by latest research on what causes people to be fat. Stop eating. Don't do the stupid "eat less" or eat better advise - that comes second, and it comes automatically anyway. First learn that you have power and are able to survive for several months if needed. Problem solved and you can skip debunking whatever clueless academics are saying in their studies (who probably most of them are fat and unhealthy themselves anyway).