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To be honest I kind of wish someone would build a proof-of-bandwidth crypto. Miners would overtake data centers with cheap transit, driving the build out of mor

To be honest I kind of wish someone would build a proof-of-bandwidth crypto. Miners would overtake data centers with cheap transit, driving the build out of more long-haul network. Some would then move to different neighborhoods just to get FTTH access, enabling more incentive for last-mile build out.

causality0 5y ago
Except what happened to GPUs would happen to bandwidth. We'd all be fucked.
- Tepix 5y ago
  Exactly. The proof of bandwidth would probably require you to waste that bandwidth for mining.
ezoe 5y ago
If I were to own a transit for the purpose of profitting from proof-of-bandwidth, ignoring the regulation and law for the communication infrastructure, would I? A) Let everyone have their fair share of bandwidth B) with DPI, choke other miners so I'm relatively better in the whole miners. Also, bandwidth will be wasted just for the sake of proof-of-work instead of traditional work that have real values on its own.
conradev 5y ago
Orchid is a decentralized crypto market for bandwidth: https://www.orchid.com/ https://www.orchid.com/ You can run a node and sell bandwidth to people who want to proxy traffic through your node
- jcun4128 5y ago
  Curious about this idea. What happens if illegal stuff happens? Assuming bandwidth = internet. Side thought is renting out your mobile device for peripheral testing. That's something I was looking for recently video/audio specifically.
  - mike_d 5y ago
    It looks like you can't become a "miner" (sell bandwidth) without becoming a partner. All of which are existing VPN companies - who probably have their abuse handling well ironed out at this point.
    - saurik 5y ago
      (I am the lead developer of Orchid.) Can you tell me where you read that bit about "without becoming a partner"? It is sort of correct--like, I can see how that argument could be made--but not really true in any fundamental sense... it certainly isn't true enough that I would have personally said it to someone, as if you want to provide bandwidth you absolutely can, it is just highly unlikely anyone will buy it, as they would have to explicitly leave the only-loosely-fenced-off garden we provide by default (but I also don't work on the current UI or the documentation, so for all I know this is extremely hard to know). Really I am just curious what specifically you saw, as you seem to have come to that conclusion pretty quickly for something I only consider half true ;P. Definitely, though: you join a market like this because you know what you are doing and what you are getting yourself into; I personally could not in good faith recommend that an end user sell access to their home Internet connection.
      - mike_d 5y ago
        The only "documentation" I was able to find researching how to mine it was a Reddit thread suggesting that you have to stake a large amount of OTX to in turn be able to sell bandwidth and in turn make OTX. Previously in my hunt for documentation I stumbled upon the partners page with 4 VPN providers featured at the top of the page and the whole thing sort of clicked. I did find a Github mono-repo for what looked like the end user clients (at least from what I was able to find in the docs directory). If my statement was incorrect (which by your half-acknowledgement I don't believe it was), then I am sorry for misrepresenting your project. A healthy dive into howtos for miners, and unwalling your garden, would clear that up. But I do quite like the closing jab.
        5y ago
- loxias 5y ago
  "We believe that by harnessing the power of blockchain, we can offer users a better VPN experience" So, is deleting articles the new deleting vowels? facepalm
  - saurik 5y ago
    Assuming Orchid even harnesses blockchains at all--I built it and notably don't have any clue what the marketing people meant when they wrote that sentence (I hate that website)--I agree that "blockchain" should be plural.
noch 5y ago
> To be honest I kind of wish someone would build a proof-of-bandwidth crypto. https://pkt.cash/ https://pkt.cash/ exists "built to incentivize the growth of infrastructure," and "PKT Network is designed to decentralize internet access around the world by enabling anyone to become an ISP." [0] A key component of the PKT Network is cjdns (https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns). [0]: https://pkt.cash/PKT_Network_v1.0_2021.02.01.pdf https://pkt.cash/PKT_Network_v1.0_2021.02.01.pdf

causality0 5y ago

Except what happened to GPUs would happen to bandwidth. We'd all be fucked.

Tepix 5y ago
Exactly. The proof of bandwidth would probably require you to waste that bandwidth for mining.

ezoe 5y ago

If I were to own a transit for the purpose of profitting from proof-of-bandwidth, ignoring the regulation and law for the communication infrastructure, would I? A) Let everyone have their fair share of bandwidth B) with DPI, choke other miners so I'm relatively better in the whole miners. Also, bandwidth will be wasted just for the sake of proof-of-work instead of traditional work that have real values on its own.

conradev 5y ago

Orchid is a decentralized crypto market for bandwidth: https://www.orchid.com/ https://www.orchid.com/ You can run a node and sell bandwidth to people who want to proxy traffic through your node

jcun4128 5y ago
Curious about this idea. What happens if illegal stuff happens? Assuming bandwidth = internet. Side thought is renting out your mobile device for peripheral testing. That's something I was looking for recently video/audio specifically.
- mike_d 5y ago
  It looks like you can't become a "miner" (sell bandwidth) without becoming a partner. All of which are existing VPN companies - who probably have their abuse handling well ironed out at this point.
  - saurik 5y ago
    (I am the lead developer of Orchid.) Can you tell me where you read that bit about "without becoming a partner"? It is sort of correct--like, I can see how that argument could be made--but not really true in any fundamental sense... it certainly isn't true enough that I would have personally said it to someone, as if you want to provide bandwidth you absolutely can, it is just highly unlikely anyone will buy it, as they would have to explicitly leave the only-loosely-fenced-off garden we provide by default (but I also don't work on the current UI or the documentation, so for all I know this is extremely hard to know). Really I am just curious what specifically you saw, as you seem to have come to that conclusion pretty quickly for something I only consider half true ;P. Definitely, though: you join a market like this because you know what you are doing and what you are getting yourself into; I personally could not in good faith recommend that an end user sell access to their home Internet connection.
    - mike_d 5y ago
      The only "documentation" I was able to find researching how to mine it was a Reddit thread suggesting that you have to stake a large amount of OTX to in turn be able to sell bandwidth and in turn make OTX. Previously in my hunt for documentation I stumbled upon the partners page with 4 VPN providers featured at the top of the page and the whole thing sort of clicked. I did find a Github mono-repo for what looked like the end user clients (at least from what I was able to find in the docs directory). If my statement was incorrect (which by your half-acknowledgement I don't believe it was), then I am sorry for misrepresenting your project. A healthy dive into howtos for miners, and unwalling your garden, would clear that up. But I do quite like the closing jab.
      - 5y ago
loxias 5y ago
"We believe that by harnessing the power of blockchain, we can offer users a better VPN experience" So, is deleting articles the new deleting vowels? facepalm
- saurik 5y ago
  Assuming Orchid even harnesses blockchains at all--I built it and notably don't have any clue what the marketing people meant when they wrote that sentence (I hate that website)--I agree that "blockchain" should be plural.

noch 5y ago

> To be honest I kind of wish someone would build a proof-of-bandwidth crypto. https://pkt.cash/ https://pkt.cash/ exists "built to incentivize the growth of infrastructure," and "PKT Network is designed to decentralize internet access around the world by enabling anyone to become an ISP." [0] A key component of the PKT Network is cjdns (https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns). [0]: https://pkt.cash/PKT_Network_v1.0_2021.02.01.pdf https://pkt.cash/PKT_Network_v1.0_2021.02.01.pdf