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the economic calculus of a restaurant does not massively change based on a switch from tipped service to untipped service. there is still money coming in and fo

by ruined 6y ago

the economic calculus of a restaurant does not massively change based on a switch from tipped service to untipped service. there is still money coming in and food going out. i am advocating that employers be held responsible for paying their employees. the current tipped service regime fails to attribute that responsibility to employers, and leaves employees vulnerable. i have seen no-tip service implemented in a way that satisfied employees. i have seen also it done in a way that drove staff to quit, and in those cases the fault lay entirely with management trying to reduce compensation. stop asking questions about a fantasy budget. i do not care. if tipped service was abolished tomorrow, employers would figure it out.

mannerheim 6y ago
> i have seen no-tip service implemented in a way that satisfied employees. Have you seen no-tip service implemented with waitstaff earning as much as they did before? > if tipped service was abolished tomorrow, employers would figure it out. Of course they would figure it out if tipped service were abolished. But I am confident the outcome of whatever they figured out would result in lower take-home pay for waitstaff, as waitstaff would no longer be able to earn more money by switching to an establishment that allowed tips.
- ruined 6y ago
  >Have you seen no-tip service implemented with waitstaff earning as much as they did before? Yes. This entire thread is just me telling you repeatedly for twenty-four hours that equivalent compensation is the only thing that works.
  - mannerheim 6y ago
    I don't doubt that equivalent compensation is necessary to get waitstaff to stay. I do doubt that it's possible for a restaurant to switch to no-tipping, offer equivalent compensation, and pay the kitchen staff more equitably.
    - ruined 6y ago
      oh well in that case i guess we'd better just cut to the chase, expropriate the owners and collectivize

by ruined 6y ago

mannerheim 6y ago

> i have seen no-tip service implemented in a way that satisfied employees. Have you seen no-tip service implemented with waitstaff earning as much as they did before? > if tipped service was abolished tomorrow, employers would figure it out. Of course they would figure it out if tipped service were abolished. But I am confident the outcome of whatever they figured out would result in lower take-home pay for waitstaff, as waitstaff would no longer be able to earn more money by switching to an establishment that allowed tips.

ruined 6y ago
>Have you seen no-tip service implemented with waitstaff earning as much as they did before? Yes. This entire thread is just me telling you repeatedly for twenty-four hours that equivalent compensation is the only thing that works.
- mannerheim 6y ago
  I don't doubt that equivalent compensation is necessary to get waitstaff to stay. I do doubt that it's possible for a restaurant to switch to no-tipping, offer equivalent compensation, and pay the kitchen staff more equitably.
  - ruined 6y ago
    oh well in that case i guess we'd better just cut to the chase, expropriate the owners and collectivize