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> The company will encourage — but not mandate — that employees be vaccinated I wouldn't want to spend a good part of the day indoors with people who aren't va

> The company will encourage — but not mandate — that employees be vaccinated I wouldn't want to spend a good part of the day indoors with people who aren't vaccinated

stevenicr 6y ago
not a doc or lawyer, not an antivaxxer, welcoming for new info, ymmv etc.. I have heard that the cov vaccines do not prevent someone from getting it or transmitting it - (maybe?) at least two of the three prominent "vaccines" merely change your dna so that if you get it, the effects of it are not as serious as someone who has not gotten the shot (?) If that is true - it seems to me that it does not make much difference if you spend time indoors with people that have or have not been vaccinated, as it really just protects them and not you. I just quick opened something like: https://www.google.com/search?q=mrna+vaccine+does+not+prevent+transmission https://www.google.com/search?q=mrna+vaccine+does+not+preven... the top result seems to "debunk" but the details off the page are tricky imho - the first "common questions" dropdown from the cdc, notes on page: "Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms" am I wrong on this?
- YokoZar 6y ago
  You are very wrong on all of this. mRNA doesn't, and can't possibly, "change your DNA". Vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected and much less likely to spread infection.
  - stevenicr 6y ago
    Digging for more truth then. further down in the same results. cdc April 2 21 doc ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... ) includes this: " A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing. " 8th result from healthline ( https://www.healthline.com/health-news/if-youre-vaccinated-can-you-transmit-covid-19-what-we-know#Some-vaccines-block-most-infections https://www.healthline.com/health-news/if-youre-vaccinated-c... )includes this: " While all the approved vaccines offer strong protection against severe COVID-19 and hospitalization, the Oxford-AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines block fewer infections than do the mRNA vaccines. None of the vaccines are 100 percent effective at preventing infections. So even if people don’t get very sick with COVID-19, they may still contract an infection and can potentially transmit the virus to others. " So it seems that indeed people that have been fully vaccinated with either the mrna (seems like after 2 doses up to 90% protection?) and the lesser ones to a lesser extent.. both types of "vaccines" do not 100% full stop people from getting it an transmitting it. This is very different from vaccines as I had previously known like polio or shingles vaccines which 100% prevent them and prevent you from spreading them right? So I guess my point to the OP would be that sure it's fine to not want to go to an office where everyone has not been vaccinated, but this is not like the polio vaccine - depending on the vaccine given there is a 10% or higher chance that those people can still get it and still transmit it right? It's fine choice to want people to get vaccinated - I just think some people are using the term to think like eradication.. full protection - like polio vaccines.. but this is not that (right?). Again, happy to be wrong on all of this. But also want other people to not be confused by terms that at this point I feel are being misused, and sure, perhaps for the greater good - but nonetheless can be abused to create a false, and for some people deadly, sense of security.
    - selectodude 6y ago
      Two doses of the polio vaccine are 90+ percent effective. Two doses of the Moderna/Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine are 95+ percent effective against any illness at all and 100 percent effective against severe illness. If the polio vaccine is your goal, it's been surpassed. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur...
      - stevenicr 6y ago
        thanks for the clarification - I had not known polio was only at 90% - since it has been all but eradicated (?) I had assumed it was 100. I worry many others assume similar - as going back to an office with all at 80-90% I would do, but I may skip the shared bathrooms if I was really worried about it.
        extra88 6y ago
        Polio isn’t airborne and is much less transmissible so the vaccine doesn’t need to be as effective to stop the spread. Vaccination programs were also very successful.
  - 8note 6y ago
    Are there no proteins that can change DNA?
ghaff 6y ago
I'm sure a lot of companies are thinking about it. The question is how many employees you lose based on what you decide--and what your policies around exemptions are (which you need to have). Certainly the path of least resistance is to encourage but not require because that way someone who doesn't like that policy can just quit rather than require the company to fire people who don't have the right docs (or submit fake ones).
losvedir 6y ago
If you're vaccinated, why not?
- okareaman 6y ago
  if unvaccinated people get infected, they are more likely than vaccinated people to have the virus replicate at an accelerating rate before they show any symptoms. This large surge in replication means they will be spreading it and this may pose a danger to me. The vaccines are not %100 effective and I have several factors that would make it dangerous for me to get sick. I won't knowingly hang out with potential spreaders.
  - losvedir 6y ago
    It is 100% effective against severe disease as far as I know.
- closeparen 6y ago
  Decent change of picking up an asymptomatic infection and carrying it home to your children, who will remain unvaccinated for the foreseeable future.

> The company will encourage — but not mandate — that employees be vaccinated I wouldn't want to spend a good part of the day indoors with people who aren't vaccinated

stevenicr 6y ago

not a doc or lawyer, not an antivaxxer, welcoming for new info, ymmv etc.. I have heard that the cov vaccines do not prevent someone from getting it or transmitting it - (maybe?) at least two of the three prominent "vaccines" merely change your dna so that if you get it, the effects of it are not as serious as someone who has not gotten the shot (?) If that is true - it seems to me that it does not make much difference if you spend time indoors with people that have or have not been vaccinated, as it really just protects them and not you. I just quick opened something like: https://www.google.com/search?q=mrna+vaccine+does+not+prevent+transmission https://www.google.com/search?q=mrna+vaccine+does+not+preven... the top result seems to "debunk" but the details off the page are tricky imho - the first "common questions" dropdown from the cdc, notes on page: "Although COVID-19 vaccines are effective at keeping you from getting sick, scientists are still learning how well vaccines prevent you from spreading the virus that causes COVID-19 to others, even if you do not have symptoms" am I wrong on this?

YokoZar 6y ago
You are very wrong on all of this. mRNA doesn't, and can't possibly, "change your DNA". Vaccinated people are much less likely to get infected and much less likely to spread infection.
- stevenicr 6y ago
  Digging for more truth then. further down in the same results. cdc April 2 21 doc ( https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-briefs/fully-vaccinated-people.html https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/science/science-br... ) includes this: " A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to have asymptomatic infection and potentially less likely to transmit SARS-CoV-2 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing. " 8th result from healthline ( https://www.healthline.com/health-news/if-youre-vaccinated-can-you-transmit-covid-19-what-we-know#Some-vaccines-block-most-infections https://www.healthline.com/health-news/if-youre-vaccinated-c... )includes this: " While all the approved vaccines offer strong protection against severe COVID-19 and hospitalization, the Oxford-AstraZeneca and Johnson & Johnson vaccines block fewer infections than do the mRNA vaccines. None of the vaccines are 100 percent effective at preventing infections. So even if people don’t get very sick with COVID-19, they may still contract an infection and can potentially transmit the virus to others. " So it seems that indeed people that have been fully vaccinated with either the mrna (seems like after 2 doses up to 90% protection?) and the lesser ones to a lesser extent.. both types of "vaccines" do not 100% full stop people from getting it an transmitting it. This is very different from vaccines as I had previously known like polio or shingles vaccines which 100% prevent them and prevent you from spreading them right? So I guess my point to the OP would be that sure it's fine to not want to go to an office where everyone has not been vaccinated, but this is not like the polio vaccine - depending on the vaccine given there is a 10% or higher chance that those people can still get it and still transmit it right? It's fine choice to want people to get vaccinated - I just think some people are using the term to think like eradication.. full protection - like polio vaccines.. but this is not that (right?). Again, happy to be wrong on all of this. But also want other people to not be confused by terms that at this point I feel are being misused, and sure, perhaps for the greater good - but nonetheless can be abused to create a false, and for some people deadly, sense of security.
  - selectodude 6y ago
    Two doses of the polio vaccine are 90+ percent effective. Two doses of the Moderna/Pfizer COVID-19 vaccine are 95+ percent effective against any illness at all and 100 percent effective against severe illness. If the polio vaccine is your goal, it's been surpassed. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-duration-protection.html https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd/polio/hcp/effectiveness-dur...
    - stevenicr 6y ago
      thanks for the clarification - I had not known polio was only at 90% - since it has been all but eradicated (?) I had assumed it was 100. I worry many others assume similar - as going back to an office with all at 80-90% I would do, but I may skip the shared bathrooms if I was really worried about it.
      - extra88 6y ago
        Polio isn’t airborne and is much less transmissible so the vaccine doesn’t need to be as effective to stop the spread. Vaccination programs were also very successful.
- 8note 6y ago
  Are there no proteins that can change DNA?

ghaff 6y ago

I'm sure a lot of companies are thinking about it. The question is how many employees you lose based on what you decide--and what your policies around exemptions are (which you need to have). Certainly the path of least resistance is to encourage but not require because that way someone who doesn't like that policy can just quit rather than require the company to fire people who don't have the right docs (or submit fake ones).

losvedir 6y ago

If you're vaccinated, why not?

okareaman 6y ago
if unvaccinated people get infected, they are more likely than vaccinated people to have the virus replicate at an accelerating rate before they show any symptoms. This large surge in replication means they will be spreading it and this may pose a danger to me. The vaccines are not %100 effective and I have several factors that would make it dangerous for me to get sick. I won't knowingly hang out with potential spreaders.
- losvedir 6y ago
  It is 100% effective against severe disease as far as I know.
closeparen 6y ago
Decent change of picking up an asymptomatic infection and carrying it home to your children, who will remain unvaccinated for the foreseeable future.