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Yeah it's definitely caused by the team name being plural, or at least sounding plural - I've never heard anyone say "The Red Sox is good" either. Regardless of

Yeah it's definitely caused by the team name being plural, or at least sounding plural - I've never heard anyone say "The Red Sox is good" either. Regardless of what is technically grammatically correct I think real life usage has pretty much settled on that convention, at least in the US.

drdeca 5y ago
Something odd : While "The Red Sox are John's favorite team." seems more natural then "The Red Sox is John's favorite team.", phrasing it in the opposite order, "John's favorite team is the Red Sox." seems more natural then "John's favorite team are the Red Sox." . This seems like a strange discrepancy. Why is this the case? Maybe it is because "favorite team" is clearly singular, and is closer in the sentence to the "is"/"are" then the plural indicating sound in "Red Sox". Or maybe it is just whichever comes first which determines how the "to be" is conjugated? Hm, but what if instead of connecting a noun phrase (determiner phrase?) like "The Red Sox" to another noun phrase (determiner phrase) "John's favorite team", we instead connect it to an adjective? "The Red Sox are singular.", "The Red Sox is singular.", "Singular is The Red Sox." "Singular are The Red Sox." . Well, the "[Adjective] is [noun]" is kind of an unusual thing to say unless one is trying to sound like one is quoting poetry or yoda or something, but to the degree that either of them sound ok, I think "Singular are The Red Sox." sounds better than "Singular is The Red Sox." . Though, in this case, there doesn't seem to be anything grammatically suggested by the adjective that the thing be in the singular case (maybe I shouldn't have used "singular" as the adjective..) . Hm, what if instead of "John's favorite team [is/are] the Red Sox." , we instead look at "John's favorite [is/are] the Red Sox." ? In this case, it seems, less clear which is more natural? They seem about the same to me (but that might just be me, idk.) . Anyway : Weird!
- DavidSJ 5y ago
  This is language dependent. In English: It's only five minutes to the bus stop. In German: Es sind nur fünf Minuten zur Bushaltestelle. (It are only five minutes to the bus stop.) I think it's a question of whether the verb is supposed to agree with the subject or the complement.
- detaro 5y ago
  > phrasing it in the opposite order, "John's favorite team is the Red Sox." seems more natural then "John's favorite team are the Red Sox. interesting. to my (non-native) ears, the second sounds more natural. Wonder how common preference for each of those is.
  - caddemon 5y ago
    IME people in the US almost exclusively use "is" in this context, but it definitely is weird to actually think about it.
- caddemon 5y ago
  You're totally right I would definitely always say "my favorite team is", and probably also would say "my favorite is". I think the subject of the sentence is what determines it grammatically, also since that's what you say first it makes sense it would affect your choice of verb more. I actually think this could extend to a lot of situations where the object is referring to a single group, not just plural-sounding proper nouns. Like if asked "what was your favorite zoo exhibit?", I would probably respond "my favorite was the giraffes" not "my favorite were the giraffes". I'm actually not even sure what the correct response would be technically though. "My favorites were the giraffes" implies multiple favorites, and "my favorite was the giraffe" makes it sound like the exhibit had a single giraffe. So it feels like subject/object have to mismatch then.

drdeca 5y ago

Something odd : While "The Red Sox are John's favorite team." seems more natural then "The Red Sox is John's favorite team.", phrasing it in the opposite order, "John's favorite team is the Red Sox." seems more natural then "John's favorite team are the Red Sox." . This seems like a strange discrepancy. Why is this the case? Maybe it is because "favorite team" is clearly singular, and is closer in the sentence to the "is"/"are" then the plural indicating sound in "Red Sox". Or maybe it is just whichever comes first which determines how the "to be" is conjugated? Hm, but what if instead of connecting a noun phrase (determiner phrase?) like "The Red Sox" to another noun phrase (determiner phrase) "John's favorite team", we instead connect it to an adjective? "The Red Sox are singular.", "The Red Sox is singular.", "Singular is The Red Sox." "Singular are The Red Sox." . Well, the "[Adjective] is [noun]" is kind of an unusual thing to say unless one is trying to sound like one is quoting poetry or yoda or something, but to the degree that either of them sound ok, I think "Singular are The Red Sox." sounds better than "Singular is The Red Sox." . Though, in this case, there doesn't seem to be anything grammatically suggested by the adjective that the thing be in the singular case (maybe I shouldn't have used "singular" as the adjective..) . Hm, what if instead of "John's favorite team [is/are] the Red Sox." , we instead look at "John's favorite [is/are] the Red Sox." ? In this case, it seems, less clear which is more natural? They seem about the same to me (but that might just be me, idk.) . Anyway : Weird!

DavidSJ 5y ago
This is language dependent. In English: It's only five minutes to the bus stop. In German: Es sind nur fünf Minuten zur Bushaltestelle. (It are only five minutes to the bus stop.) I think it's a question of whether the verb is supposed to agree with the subject or the complement.
detaro 5y ago
> phrasing it in the opposite order, "John's favorite team is the Red Sox." seems more natural then "John's favorite team are the Red Sox. interesting. to my (non-native) ears, the second sounds more natural. Wonder how common preference for each of those is.
- caddemon 5y ago
  IME people in the US almost exclusively use "is" in this context, but it definitely is weird to actually think about it.
caddemon 5y ago
You're totally right I would definitely always say "my favorite team is", and probably also would say "my favorite is". I think the subject of the sentence is what determines it grammatically, also since that's what you say first it makes sense it would affect your choice of verb more. I actually think this could extend to a lot of situations where the object is referring to a single group, not just plural-sounding proper nouns. Like if asked "what was your favorite zoo exhibit?", I would probably respond "my favorite was the giraffes" not "my favorite were the giraffes". I'm actually not even sure what the correct response would be technically though. "My favorites were the giraffes" implies multiple favorites, and "my favorite was the giraffe" makes it sound like the exhibit had a single giraffe. So it feels like subject/object have to mismatch then.