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>The UK is 0.5. I come from the UK, it has plenty of violent people in it. Far, far more violent crime in the US. And there's essentially no guns in the UK. E

>The UK is 0.5. I come from the UK, it has plenty of violent people in it. Far, far more violent crime in the US. And there's essentially no guns in the UK. Even still, rates have been falling in the US to my knowledge. Edit: For perspective, I live in Chicago. There are usually 80-100+ shootings a weekend here. Since all US cops have guns that means cops just in 1 city could theoretically shoot 100 people a weekend and technically be justified. This really isn't the case in any other "rich" country as you put it. Not that this doesn't mean there's not huge issues with policing and society, it just doesn't make sense to compare US to other countries.

dillondoyle 5y ago
This is an important point. But I also think this mindset that has been instilled in police that every encounter could be a dangerous gun ambush has caused a lot of unnecessary escalation and violence. Policing isn't even a top 10 most dangerous job. Yes police offers are shot on duty. But the practices they use & their racist bias create confrontation and escalate encounters to violence. 'Warrior', 'killology' training has instilled quick to fire, ready to kill dehumanizing behavior and literally teaches Black neighborhoods are 'battlegrounds.' Chicago is definitely a hard example combing the worst of our gun fetish, laws, and consequences of racism stealing opportunity and wealth from generations of Black and Brown communities. I'm sure it feels like a battleground for many that live there. No one could argue the situation there is under control or easy to control. But there are a lot of other examples of bringing guns into peaceful encounters for instance traffic stops where they come up guns drawn as just an example with many recent tragedies created. Briana Taylor no-knock is an extreme example of policies that create deadly confrontation.
- rscoots 5y ago
  Yup. Vast majority of policing jobs youre right are pretty mundane and not esp dangerous. Policing in high crime areas can at times be a different ballgame though and more stressful/dangerous than the average would suggest.

dillondoyle 5y ago

This is an important point. But I also think this mindset that has been instilled in police that every encounter could be a dangerous gun ambush has caused a lot of unnecessary escalation and violence. Policing isn't even a top 10 most dangerous job. Yes police offers are shot on duty. But the practices they use & their racist bias create confrontation and escalate encounters to violence. 'Warrior', 'killology' training has instilled quick to fire, ready to kill dehumanizing behavior and literally teaches Black neighborhoods are 'battlegrounds.' Chicago is definitely a hard example combing the worst of our gun fetish, laws, and consequences of racism stealing opportunity and wealth from generations of Black and Brown communities. I'm sure it feels like a battleground for many that live there. No one could argue the situation there is under control or easy to control. But there are a lot of other examples of bringing guns into peaceful encounters for instance traffic stops where they come up guns drawn as just an example with many recent tragedies created. Briana Taylor no-knock is an extreme example of policies that create deadly confrontation.

rscoots 5y ago
Yup. Vast majority of policing jobs youre right are pretty mundane and not esp dangerous. Policing in high crime areas can at times be a different ballgame though and more stressful/dangerous than the average would suggest.