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In US, there is a culture of going out of your way to do something that would be inconsiderate to others. I think its perpetuated by movies, games, social media

by bigth 5y ago

In US, there is a culture of going out of your way to do something that would be inconsiderate to others. I think its perpetuated by movies, games, social media. Most other countries probably dont have that issue, though France seems like an outlier given how much they seem to try and make muslims miserable over there.

908B64B197 5y ago
> France seems like an outlier given how much they seem to try and make muslims miserable over there. Citation needed here.
- bigth 5y ago
  Hijab ban and president's anti-Muslim rhetoric is well known.
  - luckylion 5y ago
    Errr... are you implying that all Muslims are violent and ready to murder people the instant they feel their beliefs aren't sufficiently respected? Because that behavior is being targeted, and there's no general anti-Muslim rhetoric from the president. Nor from most parties.
- sudosysgen 5y ago
  It's not really something that can be cited and I'm probably going to get some shit for it, but having been in France for a good while if you're a Muslim it really does seem that way, at least compared to Canada or even the US.
  - 908B64B197 5y ago
    And yet there's a net positive flow to France, how can this be explained? If it was really that bad you would expect to see the opposite.
    - sudosysgen 5y ago
      French Muslims aren't any less French. Most of them are multiple generations removed from another country than France. Why would you expect them to move to the country of their grandparents and of whose language they often don't even speak? Beyond that, most immigrants to France aren't Muslim either. Around a third come from the Maghreb, though not all of them are Muslim either. The reason why they go to France is because colonial era French institutions mean that they were taught French, and their countries are quite poor, so they go to the only country they have a solid shot of going to. Often they already have family in France. But even then, only about 100 000 people from the Maghreb immigrate into France, which is slightly north of a tenth of a percent. They can't really leave France either for mostly the same reason France is the main source of immigration.
- imbnwa 5y ago
  Go watch La Haine

by bigth 5y ago

908B64B197 5y ago

> France seems like an outlier given how much they seem to try and make muslims miserable over there. Citation needed here.

bigth 5y ago
Hijab ban and president's anti-Muslim rhetoric is well known.
- luckylion 5y ago
  Errr... are you implying that all Muslims are violent and ready to murder people the instant they feel their beliefs aren't sufficiently respected? Because that behavior is being targeted, and there's no general anti-Muslim rhetoric from the president. Nor from most parties.
sudosysgen 5y ago
It's not really something that can be cited and I'm probably going to get some shit for it, but having been in France for a good while if you're a Muslim it really does seem that way, at least compared to Canada or even the US.
- 908B64B197 5y ago
  And yet there's a net positive flow to France, how can this be explained? If it was really that bad you would expect to see the opposite.
  - sudosysgen 5y ago
    French Muslims aren't any less French. Most of them are multiple generations removed from another country than France. Why would you expect them to move to the country of their grandparents and of whose language they often don't even speak? Beyond that, most immigrants to France aren't Muslim either. Around a third come from the Maghreb, though not all of them are Muslim either. The reason why they go to France is because colonial era French institutions mean that they were taught French, and their countries are quite poor, so they go to the only country they have a solid shot of going to. Often they already have family in France. But even then, only about 100 000 people from the Maghreb immigrate into France, which is slightly north of a tenth of a percent. They can't really leave France either for mostly the same reason France is the main source of immigration.
imbnwa 5y ago
Go watch La Haine