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Absolutely. Bumble is my go-to example for this sort of business. Essentially a clone of Tinder with one small (but clearly important) change.

by capiki 5y ago

arbuge 5y ago
That's a good one - in a market which I would have thought was indeed a winner-takes-all one. The founder obviously knew better.
- alisonkisk 5y ago
  Tinder was the millionth of a billion dating apps.
golemiprague 5y ago
The interesting bit is that the "important" change is just a marketing fad, it doesn't really change anything about the interaction since you need to match first anyways so who cares who says the first Hi, which is what most women write. The onus to impress is still on the men, the matching patterns are still the same as Tinder. I think bumble and other similiar apps that came after that are catering more for the need of people to form tribes and it is true for many other products or even computer languages usage, the "commmunity" and who is using it is more important than the product itself.
querez 5y ago
As someone not in the know: what's the important change that Bumble introduced? Also: is it that successful? I was under the impression that tinder is still the leader in that market.
- mikeryan 5y ago
  On Bumble both people select, match like Tinder but on Bumble only women can initiate a conversation. (In heterosexual matches)
- bsder 5y ago
  > As someone not in the know: what's the important change that Bumble introduced? "Not tinder" at the point where a "not tinder" was due to emerge. Dating apps always run on the same cycle. No dating app solves the fundamental problem of women in this day and age have a totally distorted view of the range of "attractiveness" for men.
  - karpierz 5y ago
    > the fundamental problem of women in this day and age have a totally distorted view of the range of "attractiveness" for men. Can you explain what you mean? Are you saying that the reason that modern dating is hard is because women are too selective?
    - bsder 5y ago
      Yes. The data shows that women have a huge misunderstanding of "male attractiveness": https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyourinbox.html https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyo... That's a gigantic problem in that even if a woman estimates herself correctly relative to other females, she totally mis-estimates the men she's equivalent to. Men, on the other hand, understand female attractiveness quite well. However, they put in a lot of effort to land that female that punches above their weight in attractiveness.
      - karpierz 5y ago
        You're applying your biases to the data. All the data says is that women think that the average man on OkCupid in 2009 is less attractive than the average man. Your conclusion: women don't rate mens' attractiveness accurately. Another conclusion: the average man on a dating site is less attractive than the average man. Another conclusion: women and men interpret the survey question differently. You also make the additional assumption that this is some sort of fundamental problem, but that's a separate issue.
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Absolutely. Bumble is my go-to example for this sort of business. Essentially a clone of Tinder with one small (but clearly important) change.

by capiki 5y ago

Absolutely. Bumble is my go-to example for this sort of business. Essentially a clone of Tinder with one small (but clearly important) change.

arbuge 5y ago

That's a good one - in a market which I would have thought was indeed a winner-takes-all one. The founder obviously knew better.

alisonkisk 5y ago
Tinder was the millionth of a billion dating apps.

golemiprague 5y ago

The interesting bit is that the "important" change is just a marketing fad, it doesn't really change anything about the interaction since you need to match first anyways so who cares who says the first Hi, which is what most women write. The onus to impress is still on the men, the matching patterns are still the same as Tinder. I think bumble and other similiar apps that came after that are catering more for the need of people to form tribes and it is true for many other products or even computer languages usage, the "commmunity" and who is using it is more important than the product itself.

querez 5y ago

As someone not in the know: what's the important change that Bumble introduced? Also: is it that successful? I was under the impression that tinder is still the leader in that market.

mikeryan 5y ago
On Bumble both people select, match like Tinder but on Bumble only women can initiate a conversation. (In heterosexual matches)
bsder 5y ago
> As someone not in the know: what's the important change that Bumble introduced? "Not tinder" at the point where a "not tinder" was due to emerge. Dating apps always run on the same cycle. No dating app solves the fundamental problem of women in this day and age have a totally distorted view of the range of "attractiveness" for men.
- karpierz 5y ago
  > the fundamental problem of women in this day and age have a totally distorted view of the range of "attractiveness" for men. Can you explain what you mean? Are you saying that the reason that modern dating is hard is because women are too selective?
  - bsder 5y ago
    Yes. The data shows that women have a huge misunderstanding of "male attractiveness": https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyourinbox.html https://www.gwern.net/docs/psychology/okcupid/yourlooksandyo... That's a gigantic problem in that even if a woman estimates herself correctly relative to other females, she totally mis-estimates the men she's equivalent to. Men, on the other hand, understand female attractiveness quite well. However, they put in a lot of effort to land that female that punches above their weight in attractiveness.
    - karpierz 5y ago
      You're applying your biases to the data. All the data says is that women think that the average man on OkCupid in 2009 is less attractive than the average man. Your conclusion: women don't rate mens' attractiveness accurately. Another conclusion: the average man on a dating site is less attractive than the average man. Another conclusion: women and men interpret the survey question differently. You also make the additional assumption that this is some sort of fundamental problem, but that's a separate issue.
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