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Interesting - I've kind of stolen my view on this question from Cicero. You don't have an obligation to live for as long as possible, per say. What you have is
by stanrivers 5y ago
Interesting - I've kind of stolen my view on this question from Cicero. You don't have an obligation to live for as long as possible, per say.
What you have is an obligation to live a life that results in 1) you still finding meaning in what you are doing despite your old age and 2) that contributes something back to those around you, even in your old age.
At the end of the day, humans need to feel like that have responsibility / are making a difference (generalized statement I know) to feel their own life has much meaning. Just because you become a burden due to frailty or sickness does not mean you are unable to benefit others still.
Selected Cicero[1]:
"But bear well in mind that in this entire discussion I am praising that old age which has its foundation well laid in youth. Hence it follows— as I once said with the approval of all who heard it— that that old age is wretched which needs to defend itself with words! Nor can wrinkles and grey hair suddenly seize upon influence; but when the preceding part of life has been nobly spent, old age gathers the fruits of influence at the last."
But it is our duty, my young friends, to resist old age; to compensate for its defects by a watchful care; to fight against it as we would fight against disease; to adopt a regimen of health; to practice moderate exercise; and to take just enough of food and drink to restore our strength and not to overburden it. Nor, indeed, are we to give our attention solely to the body; much greater care is due to the mind and soul; for they, too, like lamps, grow dim with time, unless we keep them supplied with oil.
Those, therefore, who allege that old age is devoid of useful activity adduce nothing to the purpose, and are like those who would say that the pilot does nothing in the sailing of the ship, because, while others are climbing the masts, or running about the gangways, or working at the pumps, he sits quietly in the stern and simply holds the tiller.
He may not be doing what younger members of the crew are doing, but what he does is better and much more important. It is not by muscle, speed, or physical dexterity that great things are achieved, but by reflection, force of character, and judgement; in these qualities old age is usually not only not poorer but is even richer."
[1] - has select quotes from Cicero on Old Age: https://newsletter.butwhatfor.com/p/takeaway-tuesday-on-old-age https://newsletter.butwhatfor.com/p/takeaway-tuesday-on-old-...
- lm28469 5y agoI feel like we have a lot to learn from past philosophers on this topic. To Cicero I would add Seneca, especially in his "moral letters to lucillius" in which he very often discuss life, death, meaning, &c. It basically goes over all the points mentioned in the article but in greater detail, a few of my favorite quotes: > You wish to live; well, do you know how to live? You are afraid to die. But come now: is this life of yours anything but death? It matters not how long the action is spun out, but how good the acting is. > A person like him has not lived; he has merely tarried awhile in life. Nor has he died late in life; he has simply been a long time dying. He has lived eighty years, has he? That depends upon the date from which you reckon his death! ... Nay, he has existed eighty years, unless perchance you mean by "he has lived" what we mean when we say that a tree "lives." > Most men ebb and flow in wretchedness between the fear of death and the hardships of life; they are unwilling to live, and yet they do not know how to die.
- WJW 5y agoEpictetus has a similar view, saying that it is not the longest but the best play that brings the most joy. (Showing his age there, newer philosophers would probably have used "book" instead of "play" but the point does not really change) Dragging out your life just for the sake of not dying is an empty pursuit.
- latexr 5y ago> per say Small note: it’s “per se”.
- stanrivers 5y agoSo, basically, I have sounded dumb for decades. This is great to now know.