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I will never stop being amazed that European's think Europe is a Utopia that the rest of the world should look to as a model. I do not want the US to be Europe
by syshum 6y ago
I will never stop being amazed that European's think Europe is a Utopia that the rest of the world should look to as a model.
I do not want the US to be Europe, that is nothing short of a dystopia for me a person that wants Individualism, and individual freedom. rejecting Authoritarianism and Collectivism
If people in the US like the EU model soo much then i encourage them to expatriate to that location. Stop trying to make the US into the EU
- dmitriid 6y ago> I will never stop being amazed that European's think Europe is a Utopia I never said Europe was Utopia. All I said was, decent living. > that is nothing short of a dystopia for me a person that wants Individualism, and individual freedom. rejecting Authoritarianism and Collectivism Ah yes. Says the person from a country where charities stop giving aid to poor African countries and redirect their aid to Americans. > If people in the US like the EU model soo much then i encourage them to expatriate to that location. Those who have the means to, do.
- danielrpa 6y agoI've never known anyone here in the US (friend, coworker, family member, acquaintance etc - Internet forums don't count) who has moved to Europe permanently. I know that many do, obviously, I just don't one personally. At the same time, I personally know many Europeans living here and have seen many more coming over the years. I can't find hard data, but probably we should not say that "those who have the means to, do". It's likely more of "a tiny percentage of those who have the means to, do".
- dmitriid 6y ago> It's likely more of "a tiny percentage of those who have the means to, do". Yes. However, the main reason I phrased it the way I did is that "if you don't like it, move to a different continent" is a very arrogant approach. An American barely surviving on minimum wage is very unlikely to move to Europe.
- danielrpa 6y agoInterestingly, America is one of the best places to be if you are wealthy (part of the motivation on this thread). So it's also unlikely for a wealthy American to move. Believe it or not, a lot people, in poverty or otherwise, really like the unique things in this country and most would rather have it this way than to move to Europe (which has its own share of major problems despite being a cool place overall).
- dmitriid 6y agoThis article is still relevant: https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/19/europe-paradise-on-earth https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/sep/19/europe... Also, poor people rarely know the reality of other countries. I have friends in the States who firmly believe that Europe is a hellhole even though they are literally a medical emergency away from a bankruptcy.
- syshum 6y agoMaybe that is because they value something more than Free Healthcare. Maybe they are not willing to trade this liberty for the safety of government services.....
- dmitriid 6y agoAh yes. The liberty to die. The liberty to go with untreated chronic diseases. The liberty of not being able to change shitty jobs.
- robotresearcher 5y agoWhat is an example liberty that pertains in the US and not in Europe?
- syshum 5y agoHmm Actual Freedom of Speech (we are not putting people in jail for jokes on YouTube as an example), The right to Self Defense (aka 2nd Amendment), the relationship between government and the people (i.e we believe rights transcend government and are not granted by same), I could go on and on