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Perhaps. I think separating the last mile and the service provider is an important thing, but I think it might be best for both to be private but legally separa

Perhaps. I think separating the last mile and the service provider is an important thing, but I think it might be best for both to be private but legally separated. Then innovation can happen in both arenas without anti competitive shinganigans happening

nobody9999 5y ago
>but I think it might be best for both to be private but legally separated. My apologies for the delay in responding. I haven't been on HN for a while. To what sorts of "anti competitive shenanigans" are you referring? I'm not being snarky, I just don't see how local control can lead to widespread anti-competitive behavior. Requiring local ownership/management of the last mile, with various service providers competing to provide services on that infrastructure seems like it would keep the decision-making processes for each local network from being centralized and would pretty much avoid widespread anti-competitive practices. In comparison, the breakup of AT&T pretty closely followed your suggestion. How has that worked out? The original seven Regional Bell Operating Companies (RBOCs) have merged down to three[0]. What's more, both Verizon and AT&T (Nee SBC Communications) have acquired content producers, as well as being ISPs. Requiring local management of the last mile makes much more sense than the what you describe, which (as I mentioned)mirrors the landscape after the 1984 AT&T consent decree[1], that has resulted in increased centralization, poor service and anti-competitive tactics by the players. Please understand that I'm not attacking you. Rather, I don't understand what specific issues you have with local control (whether that be local governments or quasi-public corporations[2][3][4]) of last-mile networks. I'd appreciate it if you would expand upon your statement, as I'm not at all clear what specific concerns you have. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Bell_Operating_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Bell_Operating_Compan... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Transportation_Au... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Authority_of_New_York_and_New_Jersey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Authority_of_New_York_and... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTA_Bridges_and_Tunnels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTA_Bridges_and_Tunnels

nobody9999 5y ago

>but I think it might be best for both to be private but legally separated. My apologies for the delay in responding. I haven't been on HN for a while. To what sorts of "anti competitive shenanigans" are you referring? I'm not being snarky, I just don't see how local control can lead to widespread anti-competitive behavior. Requiring local ownership/management of the last mile, with various service providers competing to provide services on that infrastructure seems like it would keep the decision-making processes for each local network from being centralized and would pretty much avoid widespread anti-competitive practices. In comparison, the breakup of AT&T pretty closely followed your suggestion. How has that worked out? The original seven Regional Bell Operating Companies (RBOCs) have merged down to three[0]. What's more, both Verizon and AT&T (Nee SBC Communications) have acquired content producers, as well as being ISPs. Requiring local management of the last mile makes much more sense than the what you describe, which (as I mentioned)mirrors the landscape after the 1984 AT&T consent decree[1], that has resulted in increased centralization, poor service and anti-competitive tactics by the players. Please understand that I'm not attacking you. Rather, I don't understand what specific issues you have with local control (whether that be local governments or quasi-public corporations[2][3][4]) of last-mile networks. I'd appreciate it if you would expand upon your statement, as I'm not at all clear what specific concerns you have. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Bell_Operating_Company https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Bell_Operating_Compan... [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breakup_of_the_Bell_System [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Transportation_Au... [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Authority_of_New_York_and_New_Jersey https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_Authority_of_New_York_and... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTA_Bridges_and_Tunnels https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MTA_Bridges_and_Tunnels