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I'm from Hungary (currently the top on the official list of deaths/millions of people), where people were so scared, that the first wave was almost non-existant

I'm from Hungary (currently the top on the official list of deaths/millions of people), where people were so scared, that the first wave was almost non-existant. Now it's the opposite, though at least people are getting vaccinated aggressively, they just don't wait enough for the vaccines to get into effect. Another example is my girlfriend who is from Colombia: people were very careful last year, but now there's a huge demonstration happening because of a proposed tax reform, which shows how desparate people are like, and how much it overwrites their fear of COVID. I'm sure that well see the results in the number of deaths in a month or two there.

tartoran 6y ago
Are you just from or currently in Hungary? Is the situation there deteriorating?
- xiphias2 6y ago
  I'm in Mexico, but going back to Hungary in a few weeks to try to get my COVID vaccine. There's a soccer match tomorrow (I mean Saturday) with Fradi, the favourite football team of the prime minister, that's why he opened up the country more. Many people just go with it, as they just want to get back to normal, even though the vaccines that people got are not protecting yet. His main goal is to open up even more to be able to organize EU soccer championship, that's why he's rushing ahead. Viktor Orban wanted to be a professional soccer player when he was a child, but he wasn't good enough, and now the whole country is suffering because of his childhood trauma.
- randomchars 6y ago
  No. 40% of the population had at least 1 vaccine already. Death and infection rates are also declining.
- biztos 6y ago
  Friends in Budapest tell me it’s getting better, but they recently opened up outdoor drinking venues for the first time since November and everything was packed, no distancing and no masks, so I hope it doesn’t backfire. Interestingly, Hungary already has vaccine passports. Not sure if they’re used for anything but I’ve seen them, same size/shape as the national ID card, and chipped. A lot of my friends got Sputnik instead of AZ, they were offered a choice.
  - pas 6y ago
    There's no chip. https://www.google.com/search?q=v%C3%A9detts%C3%A9gi+igazolv%C3%A1ny&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=v%C3%A9detts%C3%A9gi+igazolv... It allows people to go to bathhouses for example. Also it grants exemption from quarantine and PCR testing upon (re)entry to the country.
    - biztos 6y ago
      Thanks, I stand corrected. Guess it’s chipless to be cheaper?
      - pas 6y ago
        No idea! What would a chip do? How could people use the chip? Verify it? Then why not just make an app!? (Oh, one was announced in February, but absolutely no signal about it since.) Corruption and competence rarely go hand in hand. The whole plastic card thing is a shitshow. I got the shot at the same time as a friend. Same day, same hospital, same vaccine type. Said friend already got the card days ago, no word about whether I should have gotten one or what's going on. No way to ask it either. Only thing folks can do is send an official application for requesting the card, which in theory is completely redundant. But it costs nothing, so I sent one. (It's just a nice form on yet another gov site.)
        biztos 6y ago
        I guess in the US they get a paper card with a CDC logo on it and a stamp for each injection, which will be trivially easy to fake for those who want post-vaxx privileges without actually getting the jab. Saw one on Insta today. I’m in favor of a vaccine passport but I see a lot of chaos on the horizon as countries with high denialism (US, Germany) but also big outbound tourism and business travel, get real slacky about the passport-ness of it.
        pas 6y ago
        Is that going to be a serious problem though? (Not that I endorse it at all.)
- pas 6y ago
  The spike is big, but not dead people hanging from the trees big. Hospitals are well over capacity, staff is over-overworked, and there was a recent new change in the law that regulates healthcare workers. 5-6 thousand HC workers declined the new forced change, so even less staff available. At the same time people are getting vaccinated, but the gross incompetence of the government doesn't help. (Just yesterday the website where people ought to schedule an appointment for getting a vaccine was offline day due to too much load.) While the death/capita indicator peaked our wise leader opened the terraces of pubs and restaurants. ... I'm aware that a well ventilated terrace on a dry sunny day carries a relatively very low risk of transmission, but still. It's complete bollocks to do this without any contact tracing, any testing, etc. (That said, it's important to note that people were already not social distancing, but now it's trivial to get infected by total strangers, plus now those can infect a lot more random folks. Whereas before the opening at least people were able to do some informal checks and tracing.)

tartoran 6y ago

Are you just from or currently in Hungary? Is the situation there deteriorating?

xiphias2 6y ago
I'm in Mexico, but going back to Hungary in a few weeks to try to get my COVID vaccine. There's a soccer match tomorrow (I mean Saturday) with Fradi, the favourite football team of the prime minister, that's why he opened up the country more. Many people just go with it, as they just want to get back to normal, even though the vaccines that people got are not protecting yet. His main goal is to open up even more to be able to organize EU soccer championship, that's why he's rushing ahead. Viktor Orban wanted to be a professional soccer player when he was a child, but he wasn't good enough, and now the whole country is suffering because of his childhood trauma.
randomchars 6y ago
No. 40% of the population had at least 1 vaccine already. Death and infection rates are also declining.
biztos 6y ago
Friends in Budapest tell me it’s getting better, but they recently opened up outdoor drinking venues for the first time since November and everything was packed, no distancing and no masks, so I hope it doesn’t backfire. Interestingly, Hungary already has vaccine passports. Not sure if they’re used for anything but I’ve seen them, same size/shape as the national ID card, and chipped. A lot of my friends got Sputnik instead of AZ, they were offered a choice.
- pas 6y ago
  There's no chip. https://www.google.com/search?q=v%C3%A9detts%C3%A9gi+igazolv%C3%A1ny&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=v%C3%A9detts%C3%A9gi+igazolv... It allows people to go to bathhouses for example. Also it grants exemption from quarantine and PCR testing upon (re)entry to the country.
  - biztos 6y ago
    Thanks, I stand corrected. Guess it’s chipless to be cheaper?
    - pas 6y ago
      No idea! What would a chip do? How could people use the chip? Verify it? Then why not just make an app!? (Oh, one was announced in February, but absolutely no signal about it since.) Corruption and competence rarely go hand in hand. The whole plastic card thing is a shitshow. I got the shot at the same time as a friend. Same day, same hospital, same vaccine type. Said friend already got the card days ago, no word about whether I should have gotten one or what's going on. No way to ask it either. Only thing folks can do is send an official application for requesting the card, which in theory is completely redundant. But it costs nothing, so I sent one. (It's just a nice form on yet another gov site.)
      - biztos 6y ago
        I guess in the US they get a paper card with a CDC logo on it and a stamp for each injection, which will be trivially easy to fake for those who want post-vaxx privileges without actually getting the jab. Saw one on Insta today. I’m in favor of a vaccine passport but I see a lot of chaos on the horizon as countries with high denialism (US, Germany) but also big outbound tourism and business travel, get real slacky about the passport-ness of it.
        pas 6y ago
        Is that going to be a serious problem though? (Not that I endorse it at all.)
pas 6y ago
The spike is big, but not dead people hanging from the trees big. Hospitals are well over capacity, staff is over-overworked, and there was a recent new change in the law that regulates healthcare workers. 5-6 thousand HC workers declined the new forced change, so even less staff available. At the same time people are getting vaccinated, but the gross incompetence of the government doesn't help. (Just yesterday the website where people ought to schedule an appointment for getting a vaccine was offline day due to too much load.) While the death/capita indicator peaked our wise leader opened the terraces of pubs and restaurants. ... I'm aware that a well ventilated terrace on a dry sunny day carries a relatively very low risk of transmission, but still. It's complete bollocks to do this without any contact tracing, any testing, etc. (That said, it's important to note that people were already not social distancing, but now it's trivial to get infected by total strangers, plus now those can infect a lot more random folks. Whereas before the opening at least people were able to do some informal checks and tracing.)