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This is happening everywhere in the world (except a few countries where most people are vaccinated and/or tested heavily): people ran out of money, goverments f

This is happening everywhere in the world (except a few countries where most people are vaccinated and/or tested heavily): people ran out of money, goverments failed to help them, and at this point it's worth to take the risk of getting COVID for much more people than to stay hungry and get homeless.

ekianjo 6y ago
Alternative explanation. In japan people dont care anymore and we are hit by a new wave which is definitely looking like a new peak of infections. Add to that absolutely no border control and lazy authorities and thats a recipe for things getting out of control.
- pudmaidai 6y ago
  What do you mean by “absolutely no border control”? As far as I know quarantine is required to enter Japan.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    Not for japanese nationals
- Torkel 6y ago
  I entered Japan close to two weeks ago from Europe. Super strict and well managed border control. Passengers were supervised and escorted to a special quarantine hotel for the first three days of quarantine. After that they use an app on my phone to keep track of where I am. For 14 days I have to "check in" my location multiple times per day. The place with no border control i Europe. Not Japan.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    If only they did the same thing to Japanese nationals...
  - sirn 6y ago
    The 3 days quarantine is only for people arriving from a list of countries with a known mutated strain. It's much less strict if the passenger did not arrived from the listed countries ([1]; the one in the parenthesis, the table below is countries which PCR result is required). Officially the rule is to be quarantine in the designated place for 14 days and to report everyday. However, the loophole is the designated place also includes your home, and if you happen to use LINE, the daily report becomes just a button press in the app. Location tracking is only recommended, not required. (The Japanese document on location tracking is just to enable location history on Google Maps or enable Significant Location on iPhone[2]) [1]: https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/seisakunitsuite/bunya/kenkou_iryou/covid19_qa_kanrenkigyou_00001.html#Q1-1 https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/seisakunitsuite/bunya/kenkou_iryo... Note the English version of this document is very outdated (Mar 26, 2020 for the English version vs. Mar 21, 2021 for the Japanese version.) See [3] for a more up-to-date one, although in a different format. [2]: https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/000652555.pdf https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/000652555.pdf [3]: https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001053.html https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001053.html The list is in Section 2, in the (Note 1), with the most horrendous formatting possible.
- alfiedotwtf 6y ago
  ... lucky there's no world sporting event that will congregate thousands of people from around the globe in Japan in a few weeks time. They should have cancelled the Olympics to at least 2022... I hope historians don't look back at sports ball being the catalyst of third/fourth waves and stronger/newer strains all across the globe in 2022.
  - cyrksoft 6y ago
    International spectators are not allowed at the Olympics this time. And there will be strict protocols for athletes. Not sure how this can cause such a massive new wave.
    - ekianjo 6y ago
      You think Japanese spectators are somehow immune to COViD?
lostlogin 6y ago
Which countries have this happening?
- xiphias2 6y ago
  I'm from Hungary (currently the top on the official list of deaths/millions of people), where people were so scared, that the first wave was almost non-existant. Now it's the opposite, though at least people are getting vaccinated aggressively, they just don't wait enough for the vaccines to get into effect. Another example is my girlfriend who is from Colombia: people were very careful last year, but now there's a huge demonstration happening because of a proposed tax reform, which shows how desparate people are like, and how much it overwrites their fear of COVID. I'm sure that well see the results in the number of deaths in a month or two there.
  - tartoran 6y ago
    Are you just from or currently in Hungary? Is the situation there deteriorating?
    - xiphias2 6y ago
      I'm in Mexico, but going back to Hungary in a few weeks to try to get my COVID vaccine. There's a soccer match tomorrow (I mean Saturday) with Fradi, the favourite football team of the prime minister, that's why he opened up the country more. Many people just go with it, as they just want to get back to normal, even though the vaccines that people got are not protecting yet. His main goal is to open up even more to be able to organize EU soccer championship, that's why he's rushing ahead. Viktor Orban wanted to be a professional soccer player when he was a child, but he wasn't good enough, and now the whole country is suffering because of his childhood trauma.
    - randomchars 6y ago
      No. 40% of the population had at least 1 vaccine already. Death and infection rates are also declining.
    - 6y ago
thweor234234 6y ago
Lockdowns, at this point, are a plot to kill the poor, nothing more, nothing less.

ekianjo 6y ago

Alternative explanation. In japan people dont care anymore and we are hit by a new wave which is definitely looking like a new peak of infections. Add to that absolutely no border control and lazy authorities and thats a recipe for things getting out of control.

pudmaidai 6y ago
What do you mean by “absolutely no border control”? As far as I know quarantine is required to enter Japan.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  Not for japanese nationals
Torkel 6y ago
I entered Japan close to two weeks ago from Europe. Super strict and well managed border control. Passengers were supervised and escorted to a special quarantine hotel for the first three days of quarantine. After that they use an app on my phone to keep track of where I am. For 14 days I have to "check in" my location multiple times per day. The place with no border control i Europe. Not Japan.
- ekianjo 6y ago
  If only they did the same thing to Japanese nationals...
- sirn 6y ago
  The 3 days quarantine is only for people arriving from a list of countries with a known mutated strain. It's much less strict if the passenger did not arrived from the listed countries ([1]; the one in the parenthesis, the table below is countries which PCR result is required). Officially the rule is to be quarantine in the designated place for 14 days and to report everyday. However, the loophole is the designated place also includes your home, and if you happen to use LINE, the daily report becomes just a button press in the app. Location tracking is only recommended, not required. (The Japanese document on location tracking is just to enable location history on Google Maps or enable Significant Location on iPhone[2]) [1]: https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/seisakunitsuite/bunya/kenkou_iryou/covid19_qa_kanrenkigyou_00001.html#Q1-1 https://www.mhlw.go.jp/stf/seisakunitsuite/bunya/kenkou_iryo... Note the English version of this document is very outdated (Mar 26, 2020 for the English version vs. Mar 21, 2021 for the Japanese version.) See [3] for a more up-to-date one, although in a different format. [2]: https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/000652555.pdf https://www.mhlw.go.jp/content/000652555.pdf [3]: https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001053.html https://www.mofa.go.jp/ca/fna/page4e_001053.html The list is in Section 2, in the (Note 1), with the most horrendous formatting possible.
alfiedotwtf 6y ago
... lucky there's no world sporting event that will congregate thousands of people from around the globe in Japan in a few weeks time. They should have cancelled the Olympics to at least 2022... I hope historians don't look back at sports ball being the catalyst of third/fourth waves and stronger/newer strains all across the globe in 2022.
- cyrksoft 6y ago
  International spectators are not allowed at the Olympics this time. And there will be strict protocols for athletes. Not sure how this can cause such a massive new wave.
  - ekianjo 6y ago
    You think Japanese spectators are somehow immune to COViD?

lostlogin 6y ago

Which countries have this happening?

xiphias2 6y ago
I'm from Hungary (currently the top on the official list of deaths/millions of people), where people were so scared, that the first wave was almost non-existant. Now it's the opposite, though at least people are getting vaccinated aggressively, they just don't wait enough for the vaccines to get into effect. Another example is my girlfriend who is from Colombia: people were very careful last year, but now there's a huge demonstration happening because of a proposed tax reform, which shows how desparate people are like, and how much it overwrites their fear of COVID. I'm sure that well see the results in the number of deaths in a month or two there.
- tartoran 6y ago
  Are you just from or currently in Hungary? Is the situation there deteriorating?
  - xiphias2 6y ago
    I'm in Mexico, but going back to Hungary in a few weeks to try to get my COVID vaccine. There's a soccer match tomorrow (I mean Saturday) with Fradi, the favourite football team of the prime minister, that's why he opened up the country more. Many people just go with it, as they just want to get back to normal, even though the vaccines that people got are not protecting yet. His main goal is to open up even more to be able to organize EU soccer championship, that's why he's rushing ahead. Viktor Orban wanted to be a professional soccer player when he was a child, but he wasn't good enough, and now the whole country is suffering because of his childhood trauma.
  - randomchars 6y ago
    No. 40% of the population had at least 1 vaccine already. Death and infection rates are also declining.
  - 6y ago

thweor234234 6y ago

Lockdowns, at this point, are a plot to kill the poor, nothing more, nothing less.